1 00:00:08,990 --> 00:00:07,460 the planets up the masters almost surely 2 00:00:11,299 --> 00:00:09,000 have a plan 3 00:00:16,230 --> 00:00:11,309 this clearly maybe something there 4 00:00:34,900 --> 00:00:21,310 you think you know the less you really 5 00:00:34,910 --> 00:00:43,580 without jeans 6 00:00:47,639 --> 00:00:46,080 all right higher side Cheddar's most 7 00:00:49,590 --> 00:00:47,649 people who have gone deeper than their 8 00:00:52,049 --> 00:00:49,600 weekly horoscope have probably realized 9 00:00:54,420 --> 00:00:52,059 the eerie accuracy of a quality 10 00:00:56,430 --> 00:00:54,430 astrological reading or if you haven't 11 00:00:57,990 --> 00:00:56,440 done much personal investigation a look 12 00:01:00,360 --> 00:00:58,000 through history will show that from the 13 00:01:02,189 --> 00:01:00,370 egyptians to nazi germany powerful 14 00:01:04,229 --> 00:01:02,199 leaders and monarchs have often kept 15 00:01:06,690 --> 00:01:04,239 their chief astrologers nearby and held 16 00:01:08,639 --> 00:01:06,700 their advice in high regard chalk it up 17 00:01:10,740 --> 00:01:08,649 to superstition if you choose but I am 18 00:01:12,630 --> 00:01:10,750 NOT one to ignore the actions and belief 19 00:01:14,520 --> 00:01:12,640 systems of the elite because it's no 20 00:01:16,230 --> 00:01:14,530 surprise to see their energy going into 21 00:01:18,630 --> 00:01:16,240 an aspect of reality where we've been 22 00:01:20,730 --> 00:01:18,640 told to pay no never mind well for me 23 00:01:22,800 --> 00:01:20,740 the mechanisms behind astrology are 24 00:01:24,570 --> 00:01:22,810 still unclear but it seems the gears of 25 00:01:26,910 --> 00:01:24,580 the great cosmos operate like a 26 00:01:28,440 --> 00:01:26,920 grandfather clock of probability and who 27 00:01:30,660 --> 00:01:28,450 out there couldn't use the extra moon 28 00:01:33,090 --> 00:01:30,670 that is why today we're talking to 29 00:01:35,580 --> 00:01:33,100 Austin Copic a popular writer teacher 30 00:01:38,040 --> 00:01:35,590 and reader of the Stars based in Los 31 00:01:40,320 --> 00:01:38,050 Angeles a fellow California transplant 32 00:01:42,440 --> 00:01:40,330 from a miserable Midwest town and a real 33 00:01:44,880 --> 00:01:42,450 powerhouse in the astrological community 34 00:01:47,010 --> 00:01:44,890 recommended as the go-to guy from our 35 00:01:48,480 --> 00:01:47,020 favorite wizard Gordon white a true 36 00:01:50,550 --> 00:01:48,490 honor and a pleasure Austin my man 37 00:01:52,020 --> 00:01:50,560 welcome to the higher side well thanks 38 00:01:54,870 --> 00:01:52,030 for having me that was a hell of an 39 00:01:57,060 --> 00:01:54,880 intro by the way thanks and thanks I am 40 00:01:59,670 --> 00:01:57,070 psyched I appreciate you taking the time 41 00:02:02,100 --> 00:01:59,680 I've been digesting a lot of your work 42 00:02:03,749 --> 00:02:02,110 this week which sometimes strains my 43 00:02:06,330 --> 00:02:03,759 simple stone or mind but you definitely 44 00:02:08,520 --> 00:02:06,340 know your stuff and I'm sure you're a 45 00:02:10,380 --> 00:02:08,530 bit sick of the so Austin how'd you get 46 00:02:12,750 --> 00:02:10,390 into astrology question but as a 47 00:02:14,640 --> 00:02:12,760 longtime video game addict having a 48 00:02:16,890 --> 00:02:14,650 final fantasy game as your entry point 49 00:02:20,190 --> 00:02:16,900 is something I got to ask you about I 50 00:02:21,930 --> 00:02:20,200 hear you say astrology kind of wore you 51 00:02:24,900 --> 00:02:21,940 down how did you get from thinking that 52 00:02:27,780 --> 00:02:24,910 this was all garbage to making a serious 53 00:02:33,390 --> 00:02:27,790 career out of it oh what a long strange 54 00:02:36,630 --> 00:02:33,400 trip it's been so I was raised in the 55 00:02:38,640 --> 00:02:36,640 Rust Belt like yourself and my my folks 56 00:02:41,400 --> 00:02:38,650 were very reasonable people there's a 57 00:02:44,729 --> 00:02:41,410 lot of academics on my dad's side and 58 00:02:48,569 --> 00:02:44,739 kind of grew up with the rationalist 59 00:02:51,540 --> 00:02:48,579 materialist perspective being my my I 60 00:02:53,280 --> 00:02:51,550 don't know mental spiritual womb and so 61 00:02:55,730 --> 00:02:53,290 you know if you're coming from that 62 00:02:58,340 --> 00:02:55,740 perspective astrology 63 00:03:02,840 --> 00:02:58,350 is not just an absurdity it's almost an 64 00:03:04,880 --> 00:03:02,850 atrocity yes and it's not like what was 65 00:03:06,740 --> 00:03:04,890 in the newspaper made a terribly 66 00:03:10,040 --> 00:03:06,750 compelling case for itself 67 00:03:12,530 --> 00:03:10,050 and so it wasn't until I went away and 68 00:03:15,200 --> 00:03:12,540 was in college and I was double a double 69 00:03:18,440 --> 00:03:15,210 majored in philosophy in psychology and 70 00:03:21,260 --> 00:03:18,450 I was really interested in personality 71 00:03:23,270 --> 00:03:21,270 typing systems I was doing that thing 72 00:03:25,580 --> 00:03:23,280 that I don't know if they think it's a 73 00:03:28,190 --> 00:03:25,590 developmental stage thing where a person 74 00:03:30,770 --> 00:03:28,200 tries to learn more about who they are 75 00:03:33,580 --> 00:03:30,780 by comparing and contrasting themselves 76 00:03:36,140 --> 00:03:33,590 with other common human types great yeah 77 00:03:39,080 --> 00:03:36,150 and so I was like you know looking into 78 00:03:43,100 --> 00:03:39,090 young and the myers-briggs and all that 79 00:03:46,220 --> 00:03:43,110 and astrology kind of kept popping its 80 00:03:49,640 --> 00:03:46,230 head up it just as an idea of you know a 81 00:03:51,890 --> 00:03:49,650 system of twelve human types along the 82 00:03:55,490 --> 00:03:51,900 zodiac but I wasn't very interested in 83 00:04:00,230 --> 00:03:55,500 it until I played way too much Final 84 00:04:02,620 --> 00:04:00,240 Fantasy Tactics right on I guess it's a 85 00:04:06,020 --> 00:04:02,630 classic now classic tactical turn-based 86 00:04:08,420 --> 00:04:06,030 RPG and the thing where that connects 87 00:04:12,790 --> 00:04:08,430 with astrology is that they actually 88 00:04:15,500 --> 00:04:12,800 modeled one relatively sophisticated 89 00:04:18,410 --> 00:04:15,510 piece of astrology and a technically 90 00:04:20,060 --> 00:04:18,420 accurate way in the combat system in the 91 00:04:22,580 --> 00:04:20,070 game all of your little characters 92 00:04:26,500 --> 00:04:22,590 dragons and wizards and knights and all 93 00:04:29,510 --> 00:04:26,510 that everybody has a zodiac sign and 94 00:04:31,460 --> 00:04:29,520 depending upon the interaction between 95 00:04:33,560 --> 00:04:31,470 the signs of two of the characters 96 00:04:36,110 --> 00:04:33,570 interacting like sword first you mean 97 00:04:38,090 --> 00:04:36,120 Knight tries to fight dragon one's a 98 00:04:40,940 --> 00:04:38,100 cancer one's a Pisces according to the 99 00:04:43,580 --> 00:04:40,950 game it would modify the probability of 100 00:04:46,100 --> 00:04:43,590 a successful action or an unsuccessful 101 00:04:49,220 --> 00:04:46,110 action based on the interaction between 102 00:04:52,520 --> 00:04:49,230 the signs and that relationship between 103 00:04:54,920 --> 00:04:52,530 the signs is a key piece of astrology we 104 00:04:58,040 --> 00:04:54,930 call that aspect doctrine and it's just 105 00:05:00,590 --> 00:04:58,050 geometry and the number the way that the 106 00:05:02,660 --> 00:05:00,600 circle is divided and so I installed 107 00:05:05,960 --> 00:05:02,670 this in my brain because I wanted to 108 00:05:07,909 --> 00:05:05,970 beat the game on hard of course and what 109 00:05:09,050 --> 00:05:07,919 I started seeing was that some of those 110 00:05:12,520 --> 00:05:09,060 patterns 111 00:05:15,980 --> 00:05:12,530 because they modeled it pretty well 112 00:05:17,450 --> 00:05:15,990 described the interactions of the people 113 00:05:19,520 --> 00:05:17,460 I was seeing in my workplace because I 114 00:05:21,980 --> 00:05:19,530 at least knew their Sun signs and you 115 00:05:25,400 --> 00:05:21,990 know which tropical sign the Sun was in 116 00:05:28,240 --> 00:05:25,410 when they were born and that convinced 117 00:05:31,640 --> 00:05:28,250 me to learn just a little bit more and 118 00:05:34,280 --> 00:05:31,650 when I learned a little bit more I saw 119 00:05:36,620 --> 00:05:34,290 that the way that astrology modeled a 120 00:05:41,380 --> 00:05:36,630 human being of their life and their 121 00:05:44,870 --> 00:05:41,390 psyche was to take a few not too many 122 00:05:48,110 --> 00:05:44,880 core so we could say atomic components 123 00:05:50,030 --> 00:05:48,120 the planets themselves that represented 124 00:05:52,400 --> 00:05:50,040 the the various spheres of a person's 125 00:05:53,960 --> 00:05:52,410 life and psyche and that everyone had 126 00:05:56,510 --> 00:05:53,970 the same spheres but that they were 127 00:05:59,030 --> 00:05:56,520 distributed around a circle the circle 128 00:06:01,970 --> 00:05:59,040 of the sky of the zodiac in a different 129 00:06:05,030 --> 00:06:01,980 way and that the 12 signs were a 130 00:06:07,820 --> 00:06:05,040 division of that circle right and so 131 00:06:11,420 --> 00:06:07,830 what I realized what is that it was it 132 00:06:14,630 --> 00:06:11,430 had a very finite small number of 133 00:06:18,350 --> 00:06:14,640 components but because it was using 134 00:06:21,260 --> 00:06:18,360 geometry to locate them on basically a 135 00:06:23,300 --> 00:06:21,270 circular spectrum and describe the 136 00:06:26,810 --> 00:06:23,310 interactions you had millions and 137 00:06:29,330 --> 00:06:26,820 millions of different types that were 138 00:06:32,840 --> 00:06:29,340 described with a very small number of 139 00:06:34,550 --> 00:06:32,850 pieces and I thought to myself that even 140 00:06:38,390 --> 00:06:34,560 though astrology was obviously garbage 141 00:06:41,150 --> 00:06:38,400 this was just a genius way to design a 142 00:06:43,010 --> 00:06:41,160 human typing system you know it's sort 143 00:06:45,740 --> 00:06:43,020 of taking it out of the binary and the 144 00:06:48,260 --> 00:06:45,750 linear you know turning that line into a 145 00:06:51,010 --> 00:06:48,270 circle and assuming that all of these 146 00:06:53,450 --> 00:06:51,020 pieces that we all have can interact in 147 00:06:55,760 --> 00:06:53,460 thousands of different ways and so I was 148 00:07:00,440 --> 00:06:55,770 like oh this blows you out of the water 149 00:07:02,090 --> 00:07:00,450 and so that gave me the license to learn 150 00:07:03,740 --> 00:07:02,100 a little bit Martha oh well this is just 151 00:07:08,530 --> 00:07:03,750 you know terribly intellectually 152 00:07:11,650 --> 00:07:08,540 sophisticated and so am I of course and 153 00:07:14,750 --> 00:07:11,660 so then I started practicing 154 00:07:18,170 --> 00:07:14,760 interpreting people's lives or psyches 155 00:07:21,050 --> 00:07:18,180 according to the rules of the art as I 156 00:07:22,370 --> 00:07:21,060 understood them at the time and you know 157 00:07:26,180 --> 00:07:22,380 it was increasing 158 00:07:29,660 --> 00:07:26,190 creepily accurate but I wasn't convinced 159 00:07:32,750 --> 00:07:29,670 like I I didn't take all of astrology's 160 00:07:35,300 --> 00:07:32,760 claims to be validated by the fact that 161 00:07:37,640 --> 00:07:35,310 oh that was more right than I could have 162 00:07:39,260 --> 00:07:37,650 guessed you know right is you know we 163 00:07:42,200 --> 00:07:39,270 know that sometimes you get lucky and 164 00:07:44,890 --> 00:07:42,210 sometimes there are patterns of luck you 165 00:07:48,080 --> 00:07:44,900 know we have this category this 166 00:07:50,060 --> 00:07:48,090 intuition is sort of this dumping ground 167 00:07:52,610 --> 00:07:50,070 for explaining how we did or knew 168 00:07:54,170 --> 00:07:52,620 something that we know with you that we 169 00:07:56,420 --> 00:07:54,180 weren't previously trained in or weren't 170 00:07:58,670 --> 00:07:56,430 informed about and I was like oh I guess 171 00:08:00,170 --> 00:07:58,680 I'm kind of intuitive that that must be 172 00:08:04,550 --> 00:08:00,180 it it certainly couldn't be that 173 00:08:07,970 --> 00:08:04,560 astrology is fundamentally valid and it 174 00:08:12,230 --> 00:08:07,980 was actually if after a few years of 175 00:08:14,030 --> 00:08:12,240 that predicting a few kind of terrible 176 00:08:16,610 --> 00:08:14,040 things that happened in people's lives 177 00:08:20,090 --> 00:08:16,620 very accurately we just think it would 178 00:08:22,520 --> 00:08:20,100 not do unasked now or even within the 179 00:08:25,400 --> 00:08:22,530 last 15 years but there were there were 180 00:08:28,100 --> 00:08:25,410 a couple deaths and I was like oh did 181 00:08:30,260 --> 00:08:28,110 this person die you know did this kind 182 00:08:32,719 --> 00:08:30,270 of situation I don't want to describe it 183 00:08:33,920 --> 00:08:32,729 exactly like that's cheap but this guy 184 00:08:35,719 --> 00:08:33,930 was like you know it did this person 185 00:08:39,020 --> 00:08:35,729 died under these conditions in this 186 00:08:41,600 --> 00:08:39,030 timeframe and then with the time frame 187 00:08:45,350 --> 00:08:41,610 being within the last month and then it 188 00:08:48,680 --> 00:08:45,360 happened two weeks after that oh yeah 189 00:08:52,040 --> 00:08:48,690 and that freaked me out you know it made 190 00:08:53,930 --> 00:08:52,050 me take astrology seriously it also made 191 00:08:58,070 --> 00:08:53,940 me take talking to people about 192 00:09:00,740 --> 00:08:58,080 astrology more seriously and it maybe 193 00:09:02,420 --> 00:09:00,750 took a year or two to come to terms with 194 00:09:05,270 --> 00:09:02,430 that they're like oh this is a real 195 00:09:07,310 --> 00:09:05,280 thing this can describe real events in 196 00:09:10,310 --> 00:09:07,320 people's life this isn't just an 197 00:09:15,260 --> 00:09:10,320 incredibly sophisticated Rorschach test 198 00:09:18,710 --> 00:09:15,270 right and so that that made me one take 199 00:09:19,700 --> 00:09:18,720 it seriously and then to want to learn 200 00:09:22,610 --> 00:09:19,710 the real rules 201 00:09:26,000 --> 00:09:22,620 you know I'd exhausted the kind of 202 00:09:29,120 --> 00:09:26,010 hippie youth bookstore right at the time 203 00:09:31,840 --> 00:09:29,130 and perhaps you've talked with Gordon 204 00:09:35,780 --> 00:09:31,850 about this when we're dealing with 205 00:09:39,380 --> 00:09:35,790 esoterica there's this layer 206 00:09:42,260 --> 00:09:39,390 of hosts sixties material it's very 207 00:09:44,840 --> 00:09:42,270 difficult to chew through and that tends 208 00:09:46,910 --> 00:09:44,850 to obscure much of the older and more 209 00:09:49,550 --> 00:09:46,920 interesting and generally more potent 210 00:09:53,330 --> 00:09:49,560 material and so I chewed through that 211 00:09:55,550 --> 00:09:53,340 that sort of post sixties stuff and you 212 00:10:00,650 --> 00:09:55,560 know kind of went in search of deeper 213 00:10:03,560 --> 00:10:00,660 weirder stronger yes stronger vintage 214 00:10:06,910 --> 00:10:03,570 older vintage as it were and I just kind 215 00:10:09,560 --> 00:10:06,920 of got increasingly into it I also I 216 00:10:13,400 --> 00:10:09,570 guess we have two hours I can tell the 217 00:10:15,710 --> 00:10:13,410 long version of the story you know and 218 00:10:19,420 --> 00:10:15,720 so at that point in my life I just 219 00:10:22,850 --> 00:10:19,430 graduated from college and I remember 220 00:10:26,690 --> 00:10:22,860 during my last two months in school I 221 00:10:29,480 --> 00:10:26,700 was working on two uh I had to do I did 222 00:10:32,180 --> 00:10:29,490 a double major and I had to do two to 223 00:10:34,280 --> 00:10:32,190 senior thesis projects remember sitting 224 00:10:36,350 --> 00:10:34,290 down and just wanting to write about 225 00:10:38,630 --> 00:10:36,360 astrology I was like I think I don't 226 00:10:42,620 --> 00:10:38,640 care about this anymore which was a 227 00:10:44,600 --> 00:10:42,630 really unfortunate time you don't think 228 00:10:48,110 --> 00:10:44,610 come across that perspective oh yeah 229 00:10:49,430 --> 00:10:48,120 this is actually in 2001 so there's some 230 00:10:52,190 --> 00:10:49,440 interesting things happening in the 231 00:10:56,260 --> 00:10:52,200 world at that point to of course you 232 00:10:59,090 --> 00:10:56,270 know and so it wasn't just a number of 233 00:11:01,640 --> 00:10:59,100 illusions and buildings that kind of 234 00:11:04,310 --> 00:11:01,650 fell down in smoking ruin it was 235 00:11:06,350 --> 00:11:04,320 actually my personal ontology or my 236 00:11:08,930 --> 00:11:06,360 personal metaphysic was in the process 237 00:11:09,350 --> 00:11:08,940 of having the tower card played on it 238 00:11:11,270 --> 00:11:09,360 Wow 239 00:11:14,030 --> 00:11:11,280 you know you can't just go oh I guess 240 00:11:16,480 --> 00:11:14,040 astrology is correct and then go about 241 00:11:18,710 --> 00:11:16,490 your business if you're at all 242 00:11:20,530 --> 00:11:18,720 philosophically minded or seriously 243 00:11:25,580 --> 00:11:20,540 moving did you know it has implications 244 00:11:28,700 --> 00:11:25,590 about reality right exactly that's the 245 00:11:32,450 --> 00:11:28,710 the tip of an iceberg mm-hmm that's the 246 00:11:35,120 --> 00:11:32,460 thing for me is I've recognized that it 247 00:11:37,160 --> 00:11:35,130 has some accuracy but the big question 248 00:11:38,600 --> 00:11:37,170 for me and even I guess astrologers 249 00:11:41,210 --> 00:11:38,610 don't agree from what I understand is 250 00:11:43,250 --> 00:11:41,220 how this system works or why it works I 251 00:11:45,680 --> 00:11:43,260 mean what are your thoughts how can the 252 00:11:47,510 --> 00:11:45,690 movement of celestial bodies through 253 00:11:49,160 --> 00:11:47,520 their established patterns have any 254 00:11:50,870 --> 00:11:49,170 effect on the 255 00:11:52,449 --> 00:11:50,880 lots and feelings and experiences of 256 00:11:55,160 --> 00:11:52,459 people on little old earth 257 00:11:58,190 --> 00:11:55,170 ya know it's a great question and people 258 00:12:01,490 --> 00:11:58,200 have been arguing about it for a very 259 00:12:04,190 --> 00:12:01,500 very very long time one of the issues is 260 00:12:08,329 --> 00:12:04,200 we don't have we don't have a statement 261 00:12:10,340 --> 00:12:08,339 by the guy or gal who invented astrology 262 00:12:11,569 --> 00:12:10,350 and said okay here's how this works 263 00:12:14,379 --> 00:12:11,579 here's how you do it 264 00:12:18,160 --> 00:12:14,389 this is why it works now have fun 265 00:12:21,170 --> 00:12:18,170 although there are precedents to 266 00:12:24,079 --> 00:12:21,180 systematize astrology that go back as 267 00:12:26,840 --> 00:12:24,089 far as the human experience and it's as 268 00:12:30,759 --> 00:12:26,850 far as our archeology goes this type of 269 00:12:34,519 --> 00:12:30,769 we call Horus copic astrology which 270 00:12:37,100 --> 00:12:34,529 depends upon rather precise mathematics 271 00:12:39,980 --> 00:12:37,110 and rules of interactions between the 272 00:12:43,879 --> 00:12:39,990 planets and all that dates to the first 273 00:12:46,490 --> 00:12:43,889 century ish BC we have our first charts 274 00:12:48,350 --> 00:12:46,500 in the eastern Mediterranean from that 275 00:12:51,800 --> 00:12:48,360 period sort of you know early Roman 276 00:12:56,829 --> 00:12:51,810 Empire waning Greek Hellenistic power 277 00:12:59,930 --> 00:12:56,839 and our earliest texts all refer back to 278 00:13:02,300 --> 00:12:59,940 texts that are two or three generations 279 00:13:03,769 --> 00:13:02,310 previous the art of astrology is 280 00:13:06,110 --> 00:13:03,779 actually attributed in these oldest 281 00:13:09,620 --> 00:13:06,120 texts and you'll like this too one 282 00:13:13,250 --> 00:13:09,630 Hermes right so we have a divine origin 283 00:13:15,410 --> 00:13:13,260 Oh Hermes taught us right not something 284 00:13:18,350 --> 00:13:15,420 you get with a you have the ends you 285 00:13:21,199 --> 00:13:18,360 have the trouble of received knowledge 286 00:13:23,660 --> 00:13:21,209 rather than invented knowledge another 287 00:13:27,439 --> 00:13:23,670 alternate sort of mythic founder are 288 00:13:30,400 --> 00:13:27,449 these or founders is the pro wrestling 289 00:13:34,370 --> 00:13:30,410 tag team of niche EPSA and pedis eros 290 00:13:37,460 --> 00:13:34,380 who were an Egyptian pharaoh and his 291 00:13:39,920 --> 00:13:37,470 priests that he worked with now we're 292 00:13:42,079 --> 00:13:39,930 not actually sure these guys existed 293 00:13:46,160 --> 00:13:42,089 historians have had a really hard time 294 00:13:48,769 --> 00:13:46,170 locating who they might actually be but 295 00:13:52,430 --> 00:13:48,779 it's that if we take them just sort of 296 00:13:54,650 --> 00:13:52,440 as standing in for an idea right you 297 00:13:56,870 --> 00:13:54,660 have the ruler and the astrologer and 298 00:13:59,030 --> 00:13:56,880 that's certainly a pairing that has 299 00:14:01,130 --> 00:13:59,040 occurred many many many many many times 300 00:14:02,840 --> 00:14:01,140 throughout history John Dee and 301 00:14:06,530 --> 00:14:02,850 Elizabeth being one 302 00:14:09,110 --> 00:14:06,540 the obvious one and so anyway oh and 303 00:14:10,610 --> 00:14:09,120 then you have another description of the 304 00:14:14,410 --> 00:14:10,620 knowledge to a deity which is Anubis 305 00:14:17,960 --> 00:14:14,420 right which is the the jackal-headed God 306 00:14:20,870 --> 00:14:17,970 in the Egyptian system who was like 307 00:14:24,309 --> 00:14:20,880 mercury in his psychopomp role or guide 308 00:14:27,290 --> 00:14:24,319 of souls into the underworld role so 309 00:14:28,999 --> 00:14:27,300 anyway we don't have the episode and 310 00:14:31,160 --> 00:14:29,009 pedis serious don't just lay it down and 311 00:14:34,850 --> 00:14:31,170 Hermes as doesn't give us an explanation 312 00:14:38,449 --> 00:14:34,860 that satisfies the intellectual 313 00:14:40,340 --> 00:14:38,459 conditions of the early 21st century now 314 00:14:42,530 --> 00:14:40,350 there are a couple different ways to 315 00:14:44,749 --> 00:14:42,540 look at it and I think that part of the 316 00:14:47,660 --> 00:14:44,759 reason that this question is difficult 317 00:14:50,780 --> 00:14:47,670 is that the answer has to be layered 318 00:14:52,100 --> 00:14:50,790 there's not one simple mechanism which 319 00:14:55,850 --> 00:14:52,110 explains everything 320 00:14:59,300 --> 00:14:55,860 so the first layer of why astrology 321 00:15:01,579 --> 00:14:59,310 works is material the extent of 322 00:15:03,740 --> 00:15:01,589 astrology absolutely can't be explained 323 00:15:06,110 --> 00:15:03,750 by material factors only but we 324 00:15:06,650 --> 00:15:06,120 shouldn't get rid of the ones that do 325 00:15:09,139 --> 00:15:06,660 matter 326 00:15:11,379 --> 00:15:09,149 does the Sun affect us yes we're being 327 00:15:14,120 --> 00:15:11,389 blasted by it 328 00:15:16,699 --> 00:15:14,130 every day you know and then we have the 329 00:15:18,350 --> 00:15:16,709 moon in the tides right right we can say 330 00:15:21,259 --> 00:15:18,360 that the Sun and the moon have a 331 00:15:22,670 --> 00:15:21,269 tremendous effect on life on earth and 332 00:15:25,639 --> 00:15:22,680 in fact life on Earth wouldn't exist 333 00:15:29,059 --> 00:15:25,649 without them right but that's that that 334 00:15:32,300 --> 00:15:29,069 goes nowhere to explaining ye Neptune 335 00:15:34,730 --> 00:15:32,310 who's so distant from us might have 336 00:15:38,900 --> 00:15:34,740 anything to do with how my day went 337 00:15:41,929 --> 00:15:38,910 exactly okay but we should say yes the 338 00:15:44,569 --> 00:15:41,939 Sun is doing something right just not 339 00:15:49,550 --> 00:15:44,579 doing everything there's another set of 340 00:15:52,819 --> 00:15:49,560 explanations which you see described in 341 00:15:55,429 --> 00:15:52,829 Hindu terms and in Kabbalistic terms and 342 00:15:58,610 --> 00:15:55,439 in platonic terms which is that the 343 00:16:01,040 --> 00:15:58,620 planets represent a sort of they 344 00:16:04,780 --> 00:16:01,050 represent a higher metaphysical order 345 00:16:07,309 --> 00:16:04,790 and reflect what's going on in a higher 346 00:16:10,129 --> 00:16:07,319 metaphysically right ontological II hire 347 00:16:12,259 --> 00:16:10,139 more causative level and then in a sense 348 00:16:14,329 --> 00:16:12,269 they're they're symptoms of something 349 00:16:16,690 --> 00:16:14,339 greater and that's something you 350 00:16:19,870 --> 00:16:16,700 actually see in both astrology and 351 00:16:23,290 --> 00:16:19,880 proto astrology as the planets as giving 352 00:16:25,720 --> 00:16:23,300 signs as to the will of the gods not 353 00:16:28,000 --> 00:16:25,730 being the gods themselves that explicit 354 00:16:31,630 --> 00:16:28,010 identification is actually pretty rare 355 00:16:34,380 --> 00:16:31,640 in the Greek text for example they don't 356 00:16:38,260 --> 00:16:34,390 look up it at Jupiter and say that Zeus 357 00:16:40,990 --> 00:16:38,270 they say that Zeus is planet right and 358 00:16:41,500 --> 00:16:41,000 its movements and qualities reflect his 359 00:16:43,630 --> 00:16:41,510 nature 360 00:16:47,680 --> 00:16:43,640 Gaja and so you have the planets sort of 361 00:16:50,009 --> 00:16:47,690 testifying to a powerful but concealed 362 00:16:53,009 --> 00:16:50,019 causative factor 363 00:16:58,590 --> 00:16:53,019 and then there's the sort of 20th 364 00:17:01,559 --> 00:16:58,600 century grab bag sort of the the 20th 365 00:17:03,629 --> 00:17:01,569 century system error category which is 366 00:17:06,000 --> 00:17:03,639 synchronicity right because 367 00:17:08,100 --> 00:17:06,010 synchronicity is just saying that those 368 00:17:10,169 --> 00:17:08,110 patterns are there and meaningful and 369 00:17:13,500 --> 00:17:10,179 even though they're random they mean 370 00:17:15,960 --> 00:17:13,510 something but it's synchronicity is in 371 00:17:19,490 --> 00:17:15,970 many senses defined by a lack of 372 00:17:21,659 --> 00:17:19,500 explanation or a lack of mechanism right 373 00:17:24,210 --> 00:17:21,669 it doesn't mean that we don't need that 374 00:17:26,279 --> 00:17:24,220 category but it it doesn't do us 375 00:17:29,100 --> 00:17:26,289 tremendous service in explaining things 376 00:17:30,690 --> 00:17:29,110 it just it's a way of recognizing that 377 00:17:33,000 --> 00:17:30,700 there's a pattern that's meaningful that 378 00:17:36,299 --> 00:17:33,010 we basically we don't have an 379 00:17:39,090 --> 00:17:36,309 explanation for and so what I've been 380 00:17:41,610 --> 00:17:39,100 thinking a lot recently and this is in 381 00:17:44,310 --> 00:17:41,620 part inspired by some of my 382 00:17:47,039 --> 00:17:44,320 conversations with Gordon and this is 383 00:17:51,289 --> 00:17:47,049 ties into some other stuff is the is the 384 00:17:53,820 --> 00:17:51,299 the animist explanation right and so 385 00:17:56,159 --> 00:17:53,830 what's funny that I'm coming to this now 386 00:17:58,980 --> 00:17:56,169 and in my late 30s now but I remember 387 00:18:02,639 --> 00:17:58,990 having an argument with a friend of mine 388 00:18:05,789 --> 00:18:02,649 in college when I was 19 about astrology 389 00:18:08,820 --> 00:18:05,799 and I thought it was stupid and he was 390 00:18:12,470 --> 00:18:08,830 like so do you think that the earth 391 00:18:14,909 --> 00:18:12,480 might be alive as a whole in some way 392 00:18:17,669 --> 00:18:14,919 and I was like yeah okay 393 00:18:19,919 --> 00:18:17,679 Gaia hypothesis yeah I'm you know I 394 00:18:21,779 --> 00:18:19,929 think that's not unreasonable he's like 395 00:18:23,519 --> 00:18:21,789 and so you don't think any of the other 396 00:18:25,769 --> 00:18:23,529 planets are alive you just think earth 397 00:18:29,970 --> 00:18:25,779 is alive and I was like well that is 398 00:18:33,659 --> 00:18:29,980 kind of a logical extension and so 399 00:18:37,169 --> 00:18:33,669 basically if human beings are not the 400 00:18:39,240 --> 00:18:37,179 only matter which hosts mind but if 401 00:18:42,360 --> 00:18:39,250 there are in a sense much larger 402 00:18:45,450 --> 00:18:42,370 organisms and we using that loosely such 403 00:18:50,760 --> 00:18:45,460 as planets and stars and they have a 404 00:18:52,980 --> 00:18:50,770 means of perception and we'll then what 405 00:18:56,310 --> 00:18:52,990 we have are basically vast currents of 406 00:18:59,549 --> 00:18:56,320 mind which are hitting the earth from 407 00:19:01,260 --> 00:18:59,559 all these directions and then so people 408 00:19:02,960 --> 00:19:01,270 in it say well why would the planets pay 409 00:19:04,970 --> 00:19:02,970 attention to us 410 00:19:08,149 --> 00:19:04,980 what else is there to watch in this 411 00:19:10,220 --> 00:19:08,159 solar system like where where there 412 00:19:13,820 --> 00:19:10,230 other like frantic monkeys doing 413 00:19:16,730 --> 00:19:13,830 hilarious things all the time right 414 00:19:20,299 --> 00:19:16,740 right pretty barren out there yeah and 415 00:19:24,529 --> 00:19:20,309 to take it further and again gonna bring 416 00:19:26,930 --> 00:19:24,539 Gordon into this he's our matchmaker 417 00:19:28,490 --> 00:19:26,940 you know why why would a star you know a 418 00:19:30,919 --> 00:19:28,500 billion light-years away 419 00:19:33,740 --> 00:19:30,929 care about what's happening on earth 420 00:19:35,060 --> 00:19:33,750 because astrology certainly involves the 421 00:19:38,539 --> 00:19:35,070 planets I would say it primarily 422 00:19:40,580 --> 00:19:38,549 involves the members of our solar system 423 00:19:42,020 --> 00:19:40,590 which I sometimes think of the planets 424 00:19:45,110 --> 00:19:42,030 are almost like the organs of the body 425 00:19:47,000 --> 00:19:45,120 of our solar system that's actually 426 00:19:49,279 --> 00:19:47,010 something which is taken seriously in 427 00:19:52,760 --> 00:19:49,289 the astrology of anatomy that there's 428 00:19:55,070 --> 00:19:52,770 this this correspondence and so maybe we 429 00:19:57,620 --> 00:19:55,080 can make a good argument for that but 430 00:20:02,120 --> 00:19:57,630 what about you know why would let's say 431 00:20:06,770 --> 00:20:02,130 the foot of Orion Rigel why would why 432 00:20:09,830 --> 00:20:06,780 would right air and so one I think we 433 00:20:11,659 --> 00:20:09,840 can assume that the attention span of a 434 00:20:14,240 --> 00:20:11,669 being made of plasma that lives for 435 00:20:17,539 --> 00:20:14,250 billions of years is slightly wider than 436 00:20:20,390 --> 00:20:17,549 our own but I would also make the 437 00:20:23,899 --> 00:20:20,400 argument that we're probably not the 438 00:20:28,310 --> 00:20:23,909 only show in town but you know as we is 439 00:20:31,850 --> 00:20:28,320 we look for evidence of sophisticated 440 00:20:34,610 --> 00:20:31,860 intelligent life on our scale not on a 441 00:20:37,520 --> 00:20:34,620 stellar scale in the universe we see 442 00:20:40,760 --> 00:20:37,530 that it's probably pretty rare and so 443 00:20:45,020 --> 00:20:40,770 you know even if there are 15 different 444 00:20:47,600 --> 00:20:45,030 civilizations that a Rigel can see or is 445 00:20:50,360 --> 00:20:47,610 aware of we're probably still really 446 00:20:52,399 --> 00:20:50,370 interesting on a you know cosmic scale 447 00:20:54,020 --> 00:20:52,409 what's happening here I don't mean that 448 00:20:58,100 --> 00:20:54,030 that doesn't necessarily mean that we're 449 00:21:01,430 --> 00:20:58,110 great it's just this is where the show 450 00:21:04,010 --> 00:21:01,440 is and so at least lately in my thinking 451 00:21:07,250 --> 00:21:04,020 I've gravitated strongly towards an 452 00:21:08,720 --> 00:21:07,260 animist foundation for astrology and I 453 00:21:11,930 --> 00:21:08,730 think there's actually a lot of earlier 454 00:21:15,680 --> 00:21:11,940 thinking that implies that and there are 455 00:21:17,090 --> 00:21:15,690 some threads of the Platonic explanation 456 00:21:20,220 --> 00:21:17,100 for astral 457 00:21:21,930 --> 00:21:20,230 or Neil neoplatonist models were they 458 00:21:24,390 --> 00:21:21,940 they say yes so the planets are alive 459 00:21:27,480 --> 00:21:24,400 they're creatures and there's actually 460 00:21:29,970 --> 00:21:27,490 this sort of under layer of animist 461 00:21:32,130 --> 00:21:29,980 language in our earliest astrological 462 00:21:35,220 --> 00:21:32,140 tags then they get they get 463 00:21:39,290 --> 00:21:35,230 philosophized and rationalized where 464 00:21:41,550 --> 00:21:39,300 it's sort of it has the cleanliness of 465 00:21:43,220 --> 00:21:41,560 mathematics but also some of the 466 00:21:45,110 --> 00:21:43,230 sterility 467 00:21:48,110 --> 00:21:45,120 you know and so part of the way you have 468 00:21:51,970 --> 00:21:48,120 to treat astrology as well as a number 469 00:21:54,860 --> 00:21:51,980 of other things esoteric things is that 470 00:21:56,930 --> 00:21:54,870 we're basically a cargo cult you know 471 00:21:59,299 --> 00:21:56,940 we're finding books that tell us how to 472 00:22:01,640 --> 00:21:59,309 do stuff you know here's how you build 473 00:22:03,409 --> 00:22:01,650 this machine and so you could you know 474 00:22:06,200 --> 00:22:03,419 you could give someone instructions for 475 00:22:08,390 --> 00:22:06,210 how to build a functional radio without 476 00:22:12,470 --> 00:22:08,400 them understanding any of the principles 477 00:22:14,390 --> 00:22:12,480 involved in its operation and so that's 478 00:22:17,299 --> 00:22:14,400 just sort of the position we're in and 479 00:22:20,330 --> 00:22:17,309 maybe you know again when you look at 480 00:22:22,159 --> 00:22:20,340 the oldest of the oldest texts where 481 00:22:24,590 --> 00:22:22,169 it's they you know they'd position it as 482 00:22:27,799 --> 00:22:24,600 received knowledge from Hermes thrice 483 00:22:29,930 --> 00:22:27,809 grade perhaps it's always been that way 484 00:22:32,810 --> 00:22:29,940 and that's part of the difficulty when 485 00:22:36,620 --> 00:22:32,820 you of getting a technological upgrade 486 00:22:38,210 --> 00:22:36,630 from a spirit source right who went what 487 00:22:40,430 --> 00:22:38,220 the Watchers come down and show you how 488 00:22:42,799 --> 00:22:40,440 to forge iron and and create makeup 489 00:22:44,870 --> 00:22:42,809 right yeah they you don't necessarily 490 00:22:48,350 --> 00:22:44,880 understand how you just do it fair 491 00:22:50,600 --> 00:22:48,360 enough man that's a great explanation I 492 00:22:52,640 --> 00:22:50,610 think it does help to clarify quite a 493 00:22:54,169 --> 00:22:52,650 bit even though it is still a mystery at 494 00:22:56,330 --> 00:22:54,179 heart even for people like you who do it 495 00:22:58,760 --> 00:22:56,340 all the time but when it comes to magic 496 00:23:01,159 --> 00:22:58,770 and astrology I am interested largely 497 00:23:03,320 --> 00:23:01,169 because the people in the past and 498 00:23:06,260 --> 00:23:03,330 secret societies and many branches of 499 00:23:08,030 --> 00:23:06,270 the elite have put value in it and now I 500 00:23:09,710 --> 00:23:08,040 don't think it's a coincidence that it's 501 00:23:12,080 --> 00:23:09,720 pretty absent from the larger 502 00:23:14,870 --> 00:23:12,090 monoculture but what can you tell us 503 00:23:18,490 --> 00:23:14,880 about the history of astrology and its 504 00:23:21,590 --> 00:23:18,500 use by the various upper echelon 505 00:23:23,240 --> 00:23:21,600 it's an interesting question because I'm 506 00:23:27,830 --> 00:23:23,250 immediately what I started thinking 507 00:23:30,500 --> 00:23:27,840 about is how astrology at various points 508 00:23:32,960 --> 00:23:30,510 this being one of them has been very 509 00:23:35,450 --> 00:23:32,970 counter cultural or would you look at 510 00:23:38,330 --> 00:23:35,460 some of the secret societies of the 511 00:23:40,100 --> 00:23:38,340 recent European past it was basically 512 00:23:42,950 --> 00:23:40,110 that the height of aristocratic 513 00:23:46,460 --> 00:23:42,960 counterculture it was bad it was 514 00:23:49,159 --> 00:23:46,470 forbidden but then you also have again 515 00:23:51,500 --> 00:23:49,169 like one of our oldest models in the 516 00:23:53,750 --> 00:23:51,510 oldest texts is like yeah a priest and a 517 00:23:56,710 --> 00:23:53,760 king yes are the model for the 518 00:24:00,399 --> 00:23:56,720 astrologer and so some of the probably 519 00:24:03,419 --> 00:24:00,409 earliest instances we have of astrology 520 00:24:07,120 --> 00:24:03,429 that's relatively well recorded is 521 00:24:10,779 --> 00:24:07,130 Mesopotamian and in some of the earliest 522 00:24:14,260 --> 00:24:10,789 sheets lists of omen lore right when 523 00:24:17,529 --> 00:24:14,270 Mars rises as as the Sun sets and as it 524 00:24:20,230 --> 00:24:17,539 is maximum brightness it means this for 525 00:24:23,169 --> 00:24:20,240 the king that earliest layer of 526 00:24:25,390 --> 00:24:23,179 astrology is what's going to happen to 527 00:24:27,730 --> 00:24:25,400 the king or what's going to happen to 528 00:24:31,120 --> 00:24:27,740 the kingdom that the king might be able 529 00:24:34,899 --> 00:24:31,130 to do something about and so you have 530 00:24:37,510 --> 00:24:34,909 it's literally the oldest layers that we 531 00:24:40,750 --> 00:24:37,520 have record of are for whoever was most 532 00:24:44,140 --> 00:24:40,760 elite in that society and so there is a 533 00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:44,150 very old tradition of that and it was 534 00:24:51,190 --> 00:24:47,530 also said that Augustus Caesar Augustus 535 00:24:55,029 --> 00:24:51,200 was identified by an astrologer before 536 00:24:57,370 --> 00:24:55,039 he came to power as being a ruler of 537 00:24:58,270 --> 00:24:57,380 such power that the the Romans had never 538 00:25:02,169 --> 00:24:58,280 seen before 539 00:25:05,620 --> 00:25:02,179 Wow the story who throw they're actually 540 00:25:08,110 --> 00:25:05,630 a couple of good Roman stories the story 541 00:25:10,270 --> 00:25:08,120 was that Octavius would be later a 542 00:25:13,049 --> 00:25:10,280 dubbed Augustus right Augustus means 543 00:25:17,289 --> 00:25:13,059 you're awesome Octavius was his name 544 00:25:21,070 --> 00:25:17,299 that Augustus and his friend Agrippa 545 00:25:22,990 --> 00:25:21,080 went to see this astrologer and Agrippa 546 00:25:25,080 --> 00:25:23,000 goes in sees the astrologer they sent 547 00:25:27,310 --> 00:25:25,090 him talk and Agrippa comes out and 548 00:25:29,289 --> 00:25:27,320 Octavius is alright well what did he say 549 00:25:30,820 --> 00:25:29,299 he's as well I'm gonna have a ton of 550 00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:30,830 power I'm gonna be really successful 551 00:25:38,500 --> 00:25:33,970 general it's he's pretty amazing and 552 00:25:41,200 --> 00:25:38,510 then Augustus goes in and the astrologer 553 00:25:43,539 --> 00:25:41,210 just kneels to him kneels before him 554 00:25:45,820 --> 00:25:43,549 instantly and says you know you'll have 555 00:25:49,149 --> 00:25:45,830 such power as the Romans have never seen 556 00:25:51,460 --> 00:25:49,159 ma'am and so that's that's apocryphal 557 00:25:54,669 --> 00:25:51,470 that's not up on YouTube we don't have 558 00:25:57,039 --> 00:25:54,679 video evidence of that but then the 559 00:26:00,430 --> 00:25:57,049 Roman emperors and their astrologers 560 00:26:02,890 --> 00:26:00,440 have a close but often conflicted 561 00:26:04,990 --> 00:26:02,900 relationship the Roman emperors were 562 00:26:07,930 --> 00:26:05,000 pretty big on abusing their astrologers 563 00:26:10,500 --> 00:26:07,940 at least the bad ones were and also 564 00:26:14,460 --> 00:26:10,510 testing them in very interesting way 565 00:26:16,230 --> 00:26:14,470 III believe it was Tiberius the first 566 00:26:17,550 --> 00:26:16,240 thing that he would ask an astrologer 567 00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:17,560 when he was interviewing for the 568 00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:19,450 position because of course you have that 569 00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:23,170 position was so how long are you gonna 570 00:26:30,890 --> 00:26:27,250 live and if the astrologer said I'm in 571 00:26:35,730 --> 00:26:33,450 generally they got to the next round of 572 00:26:36,390 --> 00:26:35,740 the enterprise there's another good 573 00:26:38,850 --> 00:26:36,400 story 574 00:26:40,260 --> 00:26:38,860 I think gosh I think this is Tiberius is 575 00:26:43,500 --> 00:26:40,270 I haven't looked at this a little bit 576 00:26:45,540 --> 00:26:43,510 where an astrologer comes in and I got 577 00:26:49,230 --> 00:26:45,550 and the question is instead how are you 578 00:26:53,310 --> 00:26:49,240 going to die and the astrologer says I 579 00:26:54,810 --> 00:26:53,320 will be torn apart by wild dogs and by 580 00:26:57,720 --> 00:26:54,820 the way if you look at some of the 581 00:26:59,340 --> 00:26:57,730 earlier interpretive models like that's 582 00:27:01,770 --> 00:26:59,350 that's a literal thing you see in 583 00:27:03,810 --> 00:27:01,780 greco-roman astrology because that thing 584 00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:03,820 that happens yeah you know you're out 585 00:27:08,220 --> 00:27:05,530 traveling and you're alone after dark 586 00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:08,230 and there's a pack of dogs and you don't 587 00:27:13,980 --> 00:27:11,170 necessarily win no but anyway it's just 588 00:27:17,700 --> 00:27:13,990 be torn apart by by well dogs and the 589 00:27:20,370 --> 00:27:17,710 Emperor says no you won't and has him 590 00:27:23,430 --> 00:27:20,380 executed right then and then they 591 00:27:26,010 --> 00:27:23,440 prepare a pyre to burn the body but 592 00:27:28,650 --> 00:27:26,020 there there's a wind that comes on and 593 00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:28,660 blows the body off the pyre and just 594 00:27:36,270 --> 00:27:31,450 then a pack of dogs gets into the 595 00:27:38,370 --> 00:27:36,280 courtyard and just savages the body you 596 00:27:40,490 --> 00:27:38,380 know dogs will grab a grab a piece pull 597 00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:40,500 and then run off with their prize right 598 00:27:48,750 --> 00:27:44,530 so again you have and this as an 599 00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:48,760 astrologer you have this really troubled 600 00:27:55,410 --> 00:27:51,330 complicated relationship to power 601 00:27:57,510 --> 00:27:55,420 because you're useful to power right and 602 00:28:02,340 --> 00:27:57,520 they kind of want you but they kind of 603 00:28:04,980 --> 00:28:02,350 want to abuse you I get that and so you 604 00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:04,990 know a lot of astrology you know I think 605 00:28:09,510 --> 00:28:06,730 there's many sort of opinions or 606 00:28:12,270 --> 00:28:09,520 relationships to power as there are 607 00:28:14,490 --> 00:28:12,280 astrologers but yeah you can you know 608 00:28:18,090 --> 00:28:14,500 you can just go through the the history 609 00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:18,100 of Empire and even of much smaller 610 00:28:23,990 --> 00:28:20,050 kingdoms and you know there's almost 611 00:28:26,550 --> 00:28:24,000 always a diviner and anywhere that the 612 00:28:29,510 --> 00:28:26,560 horrifyingly sophisticated and precise 613 00:28:32,490 --> 00:28:29,520 version of astrology spread you have 614 00:28:35,780 --> 00:28:32,500 rulers cherishing and abusing 615 00:28:38,460 --> 00:28:35,790 astrologers you know other really 616 00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:38,470 obvious key points or you know good 617 00:28:45,270 --> 00:28:41,050 instances are you know John Dee and 618 00:28:46,890 --> 00:28:45,280 Queen Elizabeth that's I am i imagine 619 00:28:49,710 --> 00:28:46,900 that's familiar to a lot of your 620 00:28:51,770 --> 00:28:49,720 listeners right um you know John Dee was 621 00:28:54,900 --> 00:28:51,780 her astrologer way before she was queen 622 00:28:57,180 --> 00:28:54,910 he actually got in trouble for looking 623 00:29:00,750 --> 00:28:57,190 at her I guess it was her half sisters 624 00:29:02,580 --> 00:29:00,760 chart Mary Queen of Scots and saying 625 00:29:04,050 --> 00:29:02,590 like you know listen Elizabeth she's not 626 00:29:04,730 --> 00:29:04,060 gonna be in power very long you bide 627 00:29:07,860 --> 00:29:04,740 your time 628 00:29:10,260 --> 00:29:07,870 you know her times gonna be up in 16 629 00:29:13,980 --> 00:29:10,270 months he was discovered for doing nun 630 00:29:15,540 --> 00:29:13,990 imprisoned he was right by the way but 631 00:29:18,690 --> 00:29:15,550 you know there's again there's a long 632 00:29:21,570 --> 00:29:18,700 and complicated relationship I think 633 00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:21,580 what this I guess the other part of this 634 00:29:27,350 --> 00:29:24,610 that you spoke to earlier is the fact 635 00:29:31,170 --> 00:29:27,360 that even even in these societies where 636 00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:31,180 for example Elizabethan England where 637 00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:33,370 the you know the monarch thought it was 638 00:29:37,410 --> 00:29:35,530 very useful to consult an astrologer 639 00:29:40,410 --> 00:29:37,420 even if you weren't always nice to him 640 00:29:44,060 --> 00:29:40,420 or her it wasn't generally acceptable 641 00:29:46,770 --> 00:29:44,070 for the pub the populace to do so right 642 00:29:49,350 --> 00:29:46,780 some of this is the the people's fault 643 00:29:51,300 --> 00:29:49,360 because people don't like the and this 644 00:29:52,290 --> 00:29:51,310 is a human thing I'm one of the people 645 00:29:55,140 --> 00:29:52,300 to haha 646 00:29:57,270 --> 00:29:55,150 people don't like to be told that they 647 00:30:01,310 --> 00:29:57,280 have less choices than they wish they 648 00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:01,320 did right right to a certain degree 649 00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:05,290 astrology implies a conspiracy of fate 650 00:30:10,980 --> 00:30:07,930 and fortune this is not to say that 651 00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:10,990 astrology that practicing are thinking 652 00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:13,450 about astrology necessitates an entirely 653 00:30:18,840 --> 00:30:15,970 deterministic worldview but it does 654 00:30:21,690 --> 00:30:18,850 suggest that there's a structure there's 655 00:30:25,350 --> 00:30:21,700 a deep structure to life on which you 656 00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:25,360 can't see and which is composed of more 657 00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:28,210 than just material elements right that 658 00:30:33,150 --> 00:30:30,970 there there is such a thing as as fate 659 00:30:35,820 --> 00:30:33,160 or at least some things in life are 660 00:30:36,940 --> 00:30:35,830 faded and perhaps not everyone is 661 00:30:38,710 --> 00:30:36,950 equally faded 662 00:30:41,590 --> 00:30:38,720 that would actually be my experience 663 00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:41,600 mm-hmm and so that's unsettling you know 664 00:30:46,810 --> 00:30:44,090 the the when the fates are described 665 00:30:49,810 --> 00:30:46,820 mythological a they're very rarely if 666 00:30:53,169 --> 00:30:49,820 ever friendly inviting and reassuring 667 00:30:55,930 --> 00:30:53,179 figures yes right so you know and so 668 00:30:59,350 --> 00:30:55,940 there's a human tendency to be like no 669 00:31:01,750 --> 00:30:59,360 I'd rather that not be true however to 670 00:31:03,159 --> 00:31:01,760 be fair with acknowledgement of fate 671 00:31:05,889 --> 00:31:03,169 also comes the acknowledgement of 672 00:31:08,769 --> 00:31:05,899 destiny right that one perhaps one is 673 00:31:10,930 --> 00:31:08,779 born with purpose true right that's a 674 00:31:12,100 --> 00:31:10,940 positive aspect well yeah and you can't 675 00:31:15,190 --> 00:31:12,110 have one without the other 676 00:31:17,470 --> 00:31:15,200 right there's either a deep structure to 677 00:31:20,740 --> 00:31:17,480 human life and there's a they're 678 00:31:23,110 --> 00:31:20,750 elements of a narrative built into it on 679 00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:23,120 a level most people can't see and that's 680 00:31:28,710 --> 00:31:25,250 faith and that's destiny or there aren't 681 00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:28,720 right on and the aren't version is the 682 00:31:34,419 --> 00:31:31,850 you know the it is French X is you know 683 00:31:36,370 --> 00:31:34,429 is mid 20th century existentialism oh I 684 00:31:40,450 --> 00:31:36,380 could do anything but nothing has 685 00:31:42,060 --> 00:31:40,460 meaning mm-hmm leisa yeah so but if you 686 00:31:44,230 --> 00:31:42,070 wait yeah you have this kind of weird 687 00:31:46,539 --> 00:31:44,240 relationship between the populace and 688 00:31:49,049 --> 00:31:46,549 astrology and in some cases such as in 689 00:31:51,070 --> 00:31:49,059 Nazi Germany they do this thing where 690 00:31:53,710 --> 00:31:51,080 the upper echelons 691 00:31:56,409 --> 00:31:53,720 have astrology and then it's banned it's 692 00:31:59,830 --> 00:31:56,419 literally just banned forever exactly 693 00:32:03,310 --> 00:31:59,840 and so you know there's the question now 694 00:32:07,049 --> 00:32:03,320 why is astrology held in such low regard 695 00:32:10,029 --> 00:32:07,059 to what degree is that a result of 696 00:32:12,730 --> 00:32:10,039 intentional engineering on the part of 697 00:32:15,070 --> 00:32:12,740 cultural forces that are coordinated on 698 00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:15,080 purpose and to what degree is it just 699 00:32:20,049 --> 00:32:17,570 you know where the zeitgeist is relative 700 00:32:21,610 --> 00:32:20,059 to astrology right I'm sure it's a 701 00:32:22,690 --> 00:32:21,620 little of both but it's always you know 702 00:32:25,570 --> 00:32:22,700 like you said earlier in a 703 00:32:27,759 --> 00:32:25,580 counterculture kind of thing but you 704 00:32:30,820 --> 00:32:27,769 can't disregard that element that the 705 00:32:34,210 --> 00:32:30,830 elite have sort of quarantined it yeah 706 00:32:36,759 --> 00:32:34,220 well and the thing is so when you look 707 00:32:40,149 --> 00:32:36,769 at the history of astrology it's like a 708 00:32:42,159 --> 00:32:40,159 sine wave with the you know whatever the 709 00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:42,169 mainstream culture of whatever 710 00:32:45,850 --> 00:32:44,090 mainstream culture is astrology is this 711 00:32:47,330 --> 00:32:45,860 sine wave that kind of intersects with 712 00:32:50,770 --> 00:32:47,340 it and goes below and 713 00:32:54,590 --> 00:32:50,780 hi you know up and down and up that and 714 00:32:57,110 --> 00:32:54,600 you know where we've been since the say 715 00:32:59,390 --> 00:32:57,120 since the 60s is it's been kind of this 716 00:33:01,940 --> 00:32:59,400 cool countercultural thing or maybe not 717 00:33:04,370 --> 00:33:01,950 cool but it's been it's been part of the 718 00:33:08,270 --> 00:33:04,380 spiritual counterculture in the the 719 00:33:11,060 --> 00:33:08,280 Anglophone West and so it's starting to 720 00:33:14,690 --> 00:33:11,070 get popular again a little bit by bed 721 00:33:16,520 --> 00:33:14,700 and a lot of astrologers I know are just 722 00:33:18,470 --> 00:33:16,530 you know they're over the moon about it 723 00:33:20,420 --> 00:33:18,480 they're like oh we can help the world if 724 00:33:22,310 --> 00:33:20,430 everybody knew about this we you know 725 00:33:24,740 --> 00:33:22,320 we'd have a deeper and more aware 726 00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:24,750 population but when you look at what 727 00:33:30,860 --> 00:33:27,290 happens when astrology becomes 728 00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:30,870 relatively accepted and popular is it 729 00:33:36,230 --> 00:33:33,690 becomes a tool for propaganda and you 730 00:33:37,970 --> 00:33:36,240 and you get stuck in that position where 731 00:33:42,140 --> 00:33:37,980 you're answering the Emperor's question 732 00:33:44,450 --> 00:33:42,150 of when you're gonna die and so as soon 733 00:33:46,760 --> 00:33:44,460 as power recognizes astrology then 734 00:33:48,740 --> 00:33:46,770 everybody who's playing that game once 735 00:33:51,320 --> 00:33:48,750 their head of Sirius they want their 736 00:33:53,690 --> 00:33:51,330 their diviner at their side rise 737 00:33:55,670 --> 00:33:53,700 everything else has one and that's not 738 00:33:59,060 --> 00:33:55,680 necessarily good for astrology it might 739 00:34:01,130 --> 00:33:59,070 be useful for those in power I mean I 740 00:34:02,840 --> 00:34:01,140 assume some of your listeners probably 741 00:34:05,330 --> 00:34:02,850 most of them most people are aware that 742 00:34:07,280 --> 00:34:05,340 Ronald Reagan had an astrologer I'd 743 00:34:08,990 --> 00:34:07,290 heard that I was that was on my list of 744 00:34:11,240 --> 00:34:09,000 things to ask you about in terms of any 745 00:34:13,160 --> 00:34:11,250 post-world war ii involvement because 746 00:34:16,820 --> 00:34:13,170 it's pretty spare so you don't hear too 747 00:34:19,460 --> 00:34:16,830 much yeah I did hear that yeah there's a 748 00:34:22,750 --> 00:34:19,470 particular chain there's a pattern to 749 00:34:25,850 --> 00:34:22,760 the chain of American presidential 750 00:34:27,620 --> 00:34:25,860 assassinations that Ronald Reagan 751 00:34:31,060 --> 00:34:27,630 actually breaks you know there's an 752 00:34:34,580 --> 00:34:31,070 attempted assassination against him and 753 00:34:36,350 --> 00:34:34,590 this is where I think it gets 754 00:34:39,170 --> 00:34:36,360 interesting with astrology because if 755 00:34:41,660 --> 00:34:39,180 you understand the structure of what 756 00:34:45,950 --> 00:34:41,670 wants to happen to a person during a 757 00:34:48,470 --> 00:34:45,960 given period it clarifies what choisi if 758 00:34:50,630 --> 00:34:48,480 it can be avoided at all you know you 759 00:34:53,690 --> 00:34:50,640 can get that five or ten percent chance 760 00:34:55,130 --> 00:34:53,700 rather than just rolling the dice and so 761 00:34:57,560 --> 00:34:55,140 a number of people have speculated that 762 00:35:00,650 --> 00:34:57,570 was actually due to having astrology 763 00:35:01,130 --> 00:35:00,660 that he was able to kind of opt out of a 764 00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:01,140 Prateek 765 00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:03,930 pattern I mean he did get shot damn yeah 766 00:35:09,950 --> 00:35:07,890 I love that yeah when that's part of how 767 00:35:11,720 --> 00:35:09,960 astrology works you know there are very 768 00:35:13,549 --> 00:35:11,730 few things that are a hundred percent 769 00:35:16,430 --> 00:35:13,559 you got nothing there's nothing you can 770 00:35:19,549 --> 00:35:16,440 do but if you know that you know during 771 00:35:21,349 --> 00:35:19,559 a given month or a year that there will 772 00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:21,359 be problems to attend to in a particular 773 00:35:28,039 --> 00:35:24,450 area and they will tend to arrive within 774 00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:28,049 a pretty specific window a lot of times 775 00:35:33,589 --> 00:35:30,410 you can prepare or you can minimize 776 00:35:36,259 --> 00:35:33,599 difficulties in that area also you know 777 00:35:39,049 --> 00:35:36,269 on the positive side if you know that 778 00:35:43,039 --> 00:35:39,059 there's a particularly good window of 779 00:35:44,870 --> 00:35:43,049 time you know you can maximize the way 780 00:35:47,450 --> 00:35:44,880 you take advantage of that right and 781 00:35:50,630 --> 00:35:47,460 also stop pushing your luck once the 782 00:35:52,130 --> 00:35:50,640 good period ends right I had a number of 783 00:35:55,519 --> 00:35:52,140 astrologers that have done that quite 784 00:35:58,220 --> 00:35:55,529 literally with with gambling you know 785 00:35:59,720 --> 00:35:58,230 like okay I've got this window you know 786 00:36:01,190 --> 00:35:59,730 it's the moon is conjoining to butter 787 00:36:03,710 --> 00:36:01,200 it's the hour of Jupiter I'm going to 788 00:36:05,749 --> 00:36:03,720 play roulette for just that hour and 789 00:36:08,870 --> 00:36:05,759 then stop that's kind of funny like I 790 00:36:11,809 --> 00:36:08,880 recently I had heard some random old 791 00:36:14,029 --> 00:36:11,819 Vincent Price audio recordings and he 792 00:36:15,859 --> 00:36:14,039 talked about astrology and a lot of 793 00:36:18,140 --> 00:36:15,869 esoteric stuff but he told a little 794 00:36:20,749 --> 00:36:18,150 anecdote that Hitler used to use his 795 00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:20,759 astrologer to find the right windows to 796 00:36:27,289 --> 00:36:24,410 make his campaigns his attacks and 797 00:36:28,999 --> 00:36:27,299 eventually Churchill got wind that he 798 00:36:32,569 --> 00:36:29,009 was using an astrologer so he got his 799 00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:32,579 own astrologer just to learn the game 800 00:36:37,160 --> 00:36:34,410 plan just to kind of get insight into 801 00:36:39,710 --> 00:36:37,170 when Hitler's windows would be and thus 802 00:36:41,539 --> 00:36:39,720 kind of negating the usefulness of 803 00:36:44,180 --> 00:36:41,549 Hitler's astrology which kind of gets to 804 00:36:46,039 --> 00:36:44,190 that point of if you have it you really 805 00:36:47,569 --> 00:36:46,049 don't want a whole lot of other people 806 00:36:50,059 --> 00:36:47,579 to have it because if everybody's kind 807 00:36:52,549 --> 00:36:50,069 of reading the same stuff it affects the 808 00:36:55,670 --> 00:36:52,559 way everybody's gonna act around you 809 00:36:58,970 --> 00:36:55,680 know these particular events absolutely 810 00:37:01,819 --> 00:36:58,980 absolutely and there's a really great 811 00:37:04,749 --> 00:37:01,829 example of that and that's the English 812 00:37:07,670 --> 00:37:04,759 Civil War my my friend and colleague 813 00:37:10,759 --> 00:37:07,680 Alexander Cummins dr. Allen as it were 814 00:37:12,349 --> 00:37:10,769 who's been on Gordon's show wrote a book 815 00:37:13,870 --> 00:37:12,359 a couple years ago called the starry 816 00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:13,880 rubric 817 00:37:19,120 --> 00:37:16,490 and it's basically his study of the way 818 00:37:22,420 --> 00:37:19,130 that astrology was mobilized during the 819 00:37:25,360 --> 00:37:22,430 English Civil War and basically both 820 00:37:27,880 --> 00:37:25,370 sides recruit astrologers to write 821 00:37:30,520 --> 00:37:27,890 publicly that you know the heavens 822 00:37:32,590 --> 00:37:30,530 ordained that their side is correct and 823 00:37:34,030 --> 00:37:32,600 so astrologers and this happened in 824 00:37:36,190 --> 00:37:34,040 World War two as well 825 00:37:38,650 --> 00:37:36,200 a stroke when astrology is embraced by 826 00:37:41,230 --> 00:37:38,660 power it becomes part of the propaganda 827 00:37:43,510 --> 00:37:41,240 apparatus right and that's part of why 828 00:37:46,330 --> 00:37:43,520 I'm a little like let's not get too 829 00:37:48,900 --> 00:37:46,340 popular I don't want to get burned when 830 00:37:51,160 --> 00:37:48,910 we're embraced too much we become tools 831 00:37:53,080 --> 00:37:51,170 and so it's problem and that's a really 832 00:37:55,780 --> 00:37:53,090 fun book by the way the started rubric 833 00:37:57,850 --> 00:37:55,790 because you see these Cindy airy rants 834 00:37:59,980 --> 00:37:57,860 and you see people who are otherwise 835 00:38:03,240 --> 00:37:59,990 excellent astrologers with a great track 836 00:38:07,330 --> 00:38:03,250 record of prediction being pushed by 837 00:38:09,490 --> 00:38:07,340 political necessity to you know to write 838 00:38:13,830 --> 00:38:09,500 things that are not what the heavens 839 00:38:16,450 --> 00:38:13,840 declare their what their patron declare 840 00:38:16,810 --> 00:38:16,460 that's cool yeah I'll definitely check 841 00:38:19,210 --> 00:38:16,820 that out 842 00:38:21,010 --> 00:38:19,220 another thing kind of in this vein that 843 00:38:24,940 --> 00:38:21,020 I had planned to ask you about was the 844 00:38:26,830 --> 00:38:24,950 astrological conditions of 9/11 or of 845 00:38:28,570 --> 00:38:26,840 Ground Zero during the events of 9/11 846 00:38:30,460 --> 00:38:28,580 I'm not sure exactly the best way to 847 00:38:31,600 --> 00:38:30,470 read it but I know that you have looked 848 00:38:33,850 --> 00:38:31,610 at it we were talking about it a little 849 00:38:36,430 --> 00:38:33,860 bit before tell us about what you found 850 00:38:41,950 --> 00:38:36,440 there and the usefulness of astrology in 851 00:38:45,310 --> 00:38:41,960 a situation like that yeah so I'm gonna 852 00:38:48,490 --> 00:38:45,320 try to spare you and your listeners as 853 00:38:50,290 --> 00:38:48,500 much technical language as possible but 854 00:38:52,470 --> 00:38:50,300 I can't get around all of it so bear 855 00:38:56,500 --> 00:38:52,480 with sure so 856 00:39:00,100 --> 00:38:56,510 9/11 was signified very oh by the way an 857 00:39:03,250 --> 00:39:00,110 astrologer Robert Zoeller predicted 9/11 858 00:39:05,290 --> 00:39:03,260 in writing several times about a year 859 00:39:07,600 --> 00:39:05,300 year and a half before it happened Wow 860 00:39:11,890 --> 00:39:07,610 he said unprecedented terrorist attack 861 00:39:14,950 --> 00:39:11,900 northeastern United States 9/11 2001 and 862 00:39:17,710 --> 00:39:14,960 of course he got a bunch of dudes in 863 00:39:19,240 --> 00:39:17,720 sunglasses and suits showing up at his 864 00:39:23,830 --> 00:39:19,250 house shortly after it happened 865 00:39:26,740 --> 00:39:23,840 of course now although if you look at a 866 00:39:27,289 --> 00:39:26,750 chart you'll generally see a dizzying 867 00:39:30,409 --> 00:39:27,299 number 868 00:39:33,019 --> 00:39:30,419 of data points usually what actually 869 00:39:35,809 --> 00:39:33,029 triggers are signifies a particular 870 00:39:38,179 --> 00:39:35,819 event either for all of us you know for 871 00:39:40,639 --> 00:39:38,189 the macrocosm or for an individual is 872 00:39:43,069 --> 00:39:40,649 usually one at just one or two factors 873 00:39:46,639 --> 00:39:43,079 I gotta sort these things out and 874 00:39:49,969 --> 00:39:46,649 prioritize them and so the main thing 875 00:39:54,139 --> 00:39:49,979 that was happening during 911 was this 876 00:39:56,449 --> 00:39:54,149 opposition of Saturn and Pluto relative 877 00:39:58,699 --> 00:39:56,459 to the earth and so when when planets 878 00:40:01,009 --> 00:39:58,709 are opposed from our point of view it 879 00:40:03,889 --> 00:40:01,019 means when one would rise in the east 880 00:40:09,319 --> 00:40:03,899 the other would set in the West right 881 00:40:11,809 --> 00:40:09,329 now Saturn and kudos cycle is actually 882 00:40:14,689 --> 00:40:11,819 one of the few cycles that's not regular 883 00:40:17,269 --> 00:40:14,699 in length because Pluto has a really 884 00:40:20,329 --> 00:40:17,279 elliptical orbit and so what that means 885 00:40:23,059 --> 00:40:20,339 is from our perspective when Pluto is in 886 00:40:26,149 --> 00:40:23,069 one part of his cycle he will take nine 887 00:40:29,149 --> 00:40:26,159 years to cover 30 degrees of the zodiac 888 00:40:31,249 --> 00:40:29,159 or that wedge of sky and at another part 889 00:40:33,729 --> 00:40:31,259 of his cycle it'll take almost 30 years 890 00:40:36,859 --> 00:40:33,739 to do exactly the same 30 degrees 891 00:40:39,229 --> 00:40:36,869 everybody else basically moves in a 892 00:40:41,019 --> 00:40:39,239 circle you know every 12 years Jupiter's 893 00:40:43,579 --> 00:40:41,029 going to be in the same position every 894 00:40:47,029 --> 00:40:43,589 29 and a half Saturn is going to be in 895 00:40:50,389 --> 00:40:47,039 another position but when you look at 896 00:40:52,639 --> 00:40:50,399 any planet relative to Pluto you get 897 00:40:56,899 --> 00:40:52,649 this cycle that expands and contracts 898 00:40:59,239 --> 00:40:56,909 and so this saturn pluto cycle right and 899 00:41:03,049 --> 00:40:59,249 we can see that this is a lot like the 900 00:41:06,709 --> 00:41:03,059 this is a cenotes cycle and so as Sonata 901 00:41:08,929 --> 00:41:06,719 cycle is any two planets cycle relative 902 00:41:12,139 --> 00:41:08,939 to each other and so everybody's 903 00:41:13,849 --> 00:41:12,149 familiar with one Sonata cycle and it's 904 00:41:16,069 --> 00:41:13,859 the one between the Sun and Moon 905 00:41:18,979 --> 00:41:16,079 relative to the earth that's what 906 00:41:20,509 --> 00:41:18,989 creates the fullness and emptiness of 907 00:41:22,909 --> 00:41:20,519 the Moon that's why the moon waxes and 908 00:41:25,489 --> 00:41:22,919 wings we can see that rip really large 909 00:41:27,349 --> 00:41:25,499 but every other you can take any other 910 00:41:31,459 --> 00:41:27,359 pair of planets and they'll basically 911 00:41:34,429 --> 00:41:31,469 have their own waxing full moon waning 912 00:41:38,779 --> 00:41:34,439 new moon phase does that make sense it 913 00:41:41,329 --> 00:41:38,789 does okay so and each each of these 914 00:41:44,029 --> 00:41:41,339 pairs has a top 915 00:41:47,239 --> 00:41:44,039 it has types of things it's basically 916 00:41:48,650 --> 00:41:47,249 you figure out okay you know you figure 917 00:41:50,359 --> 00:41:48,660 out the length of the cycle and its 918 00:41:54,109 --> 00:41:50,369 rhythm and then you figure out what 919 00:41:57,229 --> 00:41:54,119 moves with it and its power power moves 920 00:41:58,759 --> 00:41:57,239 with the Saturn Pluto cycle and so 921 00:42:01,009 --> 00:41:58,769 whenever we're looking in a cycle like 922 00:42:03,259 --> 00:42:01,019 that you know if we're just starting out 923 00:42:05,539 --> 00:42:03,269 with what's most interesting like what 924 00:42:07,549 --> 00:42:05,549 are gonna be the most dramatic points we 925 00:42:09,920 --> 00:42:07,559 want basically the full moon is the most 926 00:42:11,779 --> 00:42:09,930 dramatic right and then the new moon 927 00:42:14,569 --> 00:42:11,789 when the moon entirely disappears from 928 00:42:17,979 --> 00:42:14,579 the sky is the other dramatic point okay 929 00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:17,989 right and so if we look at these two and 930 00:42:23,589 --> 00:42:21,450 Saturn Pluto being power power like not 931 00:42:27,140 --> 00:42:23,599 in a philosophical sense but in like a 932 00:42:30,079 --> 00:42:27,150 down-and-dirty political political 933 00:42:31,609 --> 00:42:30,089 military industrial complex sense that 934 00:42:35,180 --> 00:42:31,619 Saturn Pluto opposition was basically 935 00:42:37,099 --> 00:42:35,190 the full moon part of that cycle this 936 00:42:41,180 --> 00:42:37,109 time it was a thirty-eight year cycle 937 00:42:44,930 --> 00:42:41,190 and 9/11 happened within about three 938 00:42:49,279 --> 00:42:44,940 weeks of the perfect full moon in a 939 00:42:51,170 --> 00:42:49,289 cycle that long Wow yeah and so what's 940 00:42:53,029 --> 00:42:51,180 additionally interesting you know you 941 00:42:55,880 --> 00:42:53,039 take a cycle like this right so that 942 00:42:57,950 --> 00:42:55,890 this just if we reduced a chart down to 943 00:43:00,380 --> 00:42:57,960 this it would just look like Saturn on 944 00:43:04,130 --> 00:43:00,390 one side Pluto exactly opposite right 945 00:43:07,849 --> 00:43:04,140 now then what we do is we take the chart 946 00:43:10,430 --> 00:43:07,859 of an entity like myself or yourself or 947 00:43:13,940 --> 00:43:10,440 the United States and then we say how 948 00:43:17,209 --> 00:43:13,950 does it hit this entities chart right 949 00:43:19,309 --> 00:43:17,219 your individual chart is sort of it's 950 00:43:21,680 --> 00:43:19,319 the way that you receive whatever is 951 00:43:23,839 --> 00:43:21,690 happening in the sky right and what's 952 00:43:26,390 --> 00:43:23,849 interesting is that the most commonly 953 00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:26,400 used chart the United States it's called 954 00:43:31,309 --> 00:43:28,890 the the Sibley chart after the English 955 00:43:33,319 --> 00:43:31,319 astrologer who published it it's 956 00:43:36,259 --> 00:43:33,329 basically the signing of the Declaration 957 00:43:38,239 --> 00:43:36,269 of Independence that being when the 958 00:43:40,910 --> 00:43:38,249 United States entity comes into being 959 00:43:42,620 --> 00:43:40,920 okay it makes sense it's harder or you 960 00:43:45,259 --> 00:43:42,630 know it's nice that we actually have a 961 00:43:47,049 --> 00:43:45,269 document it's harder to do that so if 962 00:43:50,509 --> 00:43:47,059 you know if you're looking at let's say 963 00:43:52,640 --> 00:43:50,519 modern-day Iran right that's where the 964 00:43:54,019 --> 00:43:52,650 Persian Empire was that's where lots of 965 00:43:54,980 --> 00:43:54,029 there wasn't it didn't just come into 966 00:43:56,180 --> 00:43:54,990 being 967 00:43:59,540 --> 00:43:56,190 where the United States is a little 968 00:44:02,870 --> 00:43:59,550 easier to time and to get a chart right 969 00:44:05,600 --> 00:44:02,880 so probably them one of the most 970 00:44:08,090 --> 00:44:05,610 important things in any chart is where 971 00:44:10,340 --> 00:44:08,100 the horizon falls you ever heard people 972 00:44:13,220 --> 00:44:10,350 talk about their rising sign absolutely 973 00:44:15,650 --> 00:44:13,230 right so it's literally what sign is 974 00:44:17,120 --> 00:44:15,660 rising on the eastern horizon right 975 00:44:20,780 --> 00:44:17,130 where the Sun rises where everything 976 00:44:23,570 --> 00:44:20,790 Rises and then we have opposite to that 977 00:44:26,120 --> 00:44:23,580 we have the setting point right and so 978 00:44:29,480 --> 00:44:26,130 that's represented in a chart as a 979 00:44:31,280 --> 00:44:29,490 horizontal line that hits you know a 980 00:44:33,260 --> 00:44:31,290 single degree on one side and a single 981 00:44:35,150 --> 00:44:33,270 degree on the other side so those are 982 00:44:36,740 --> 00:44:35,160 really sensitive points you know it's 983 00:44:39,380 --> 00:44:36,750 though if you just think about the 984 00:44:41,480 --> 00:44:39,390 symbolism of where things emerge into 985 00:44:44,350 --> 00:44:41,490 being right weights where the Sun rises 986 00:44:46,430 --> 00:44:44,360 and sets every day it's huge yeah 987 00:44:49,010 --> 00:44:46,440 symbolism of that predates like 988 00:44:51,380 --> 00:44:49,020 technical astrology by God knows how 989 00:44:53,390 --> 00:44:51,390 many thousand years but astrology 990 00:44:56,090 --> 00:44:53,400 incorporates that and so that's really 991 00:44:59,150 --> 00:44:56,100 sensitive if for example we were looking 992 00:45:02,330 --> 00:44:59,160 at Saturn moving through the chart and 993 00:45:04,310 --> 00:45:02,340 it hit the degree of your rising reg you 994 00:45:07,099 --> 00:45:04,320 would be like oh I remember that that 995 00:45:09,560 --> 00:45:07,109 was some [\h__\h] mm-hmm so anyway we saw 996 00:45:12,260 --> 00:45:09,570 ooh these are really sensitive points 997 00:45:13,730 --> 00:45:12,270 and they're always opposed because the 998 00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:13,740 eastern and western horizon are really 999 00:45:19,730 --> 00:45:16,410 always opposed right so the Sun this 1000 00:45:22,040 --> 00:45:19,740 Saturn Pluto opposition was bang on the 1001 00:45:24,290 --> 00:45:22,050 United States rising and setting points 1002 00:45:27,560 --> 00:45:24,300 and so we have you know it's this full 1003 00:45:30,560 --> 00:45:27,570 moon of power moves and it's just right 1004 00:45:33,099 --> 00:45:30,570 there on the US chart Wow right so it 1005 00:45:35,180 --> 00:45:33,109 mean you know we would we could say 1006 00:45:36,950 --> 00:45:35,190 generally we're like oh that's going to 1007 00:45:38,450 --> 00:45:36,960 be huge there's going to be something 1008 00:45:41,720 --> 00:45:38,460 which really shakes up the power 1009 00:45:43,760 --> 00:45:41,730 dynamics and we'd have to use a lot of 1010 00:45:46,640 --> 00:45:43,770 other techniques to figure out what it 1011 00:45:49,130 --> 00:45:46,650 was but to a certain degree 1012 00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:49,140 it's not so much what it was but what it 1013 00:45:55,460 --> 00:45:51,450 did right what what the world's reaction 1014 00:45:57,560 --> 00:45:55,470 to it was so taking this cycle I want to 1015 00:45:59,150 --> 00:45:57,570 go back to these full and new moon 1016 00:46:02,000 --> 00:45:59,160 points just so you and your listeners 1017 00:46:04,670 --> 00:46:02,010 can see that it's it's not just as one 1018 00:46:07,070 --> 00:46:04,680 thing that happened once right this this 1019 00:46:08,790 --> 00:46:07,080 conjunction this conjunction or 1020 00:46:13,590 --> 00:46:08,800 opposition this pairing of plan 1021 00:46:16,230 --> 00:46:13,600 speaks to power right so the new moon of 1022 00:46:19,850 --> 00:46:16,240 which that was the full moon happened in 1023 00:46:22,680 --> 00:46:19,860 basically nineteen nineteen eighty-one 1024 00:46:25,500 --> 00:46:22,690 1980-81 right we have the beginning of 1025 00:46:28,110 --> 00:46:25,510 the Reagan era for the United States we 1026 00:46:31,680 --> 00:46:28,120 can in which a lot of precedents are set 1027 00:46:32,460 --> 00:46:31,690 and if we look at you know what is that 1028 00:46:34,290 --> 00:46:32,470 important 1029 00:46:36,450 --> 00:46:34,300 as far as the history of power in the 1030 00:46:39,480 --> 00:46:36,460 twentieth century goes absolutely and 1031 00:46:42,890 --> 00:46:39,490 then if we go back to the new moon 1032 00:46:46,110 --> 00:46:42,900 before that we have the late 40s and 1033 00:46:48,570 --> 00:46:46,120 it's when well it's when a lot of things 1034 00:46:51,150 --> 00:46:48,580 happen it's the the aftermath of World 1035 00:46:53,790 --> 00:46:51,160 War two where you know God probably 1036 00:46:56,070 --> 00:46:53,800 thirty countries are created and so 1037 00:46:58,860 --> 00:46:56,080 there are all these countries especially 1038 00:47:00,840 --> 00:46:58,870 in the Middle East that have that Saturn 1039 00:47:03,450 --> 00:47:00,850 and Pluto New Moon that Saturn and Pluto 1040 00:47:05,520 --> 00:47:03,460 conjunction in their natal chart right 1041 00:47:08,010 --> 00:47:05,530 there they're created out of these power 1042 00:47:13,050 --> 00:47:08,020 moves these like dragging knives and and 1043 00:47:14,850 --> 00:47:13,060 pens across a map Wow anyway and this is 1044 00:47:17,430 --> 00:47:14,860 how we you know this is part of how 1045 00:47:19,890 --> 00:47:17,440 astrologers cut up history and this is a 1046 00:47:22,770 --> 00:47:19,900 particular this particular pairing is 1047 00:47:25,050 --> 00:47:22,780 really useful for looking at scary power 1048 00:47:28,350 --> 00:47:25,060 moves and these moves all have big 1049 00:47:30,870 --> 00:47:28,360 consequences so when's the next one 1050 00:47:35,070 --> 00:47:30,880 happening tonight so we had our full 1051 00:47:37,710 --> 00:47:35,080 moon our full moon in 2001 right then 1052 00:47:39,870 --> 00:47:37,720 our next new moon and the new so just to 1053 00:47:42,240 --> 00:47:39,880 use that analogy and to explain this 1054 00:47:43,740 --> 00:47:42,250 cycle when the planets are opposed from 1055 00:47:46,740 --> 00:47:43,750 our points of view that's like a full 1056 00:47:49,320 --> 00:47:46,750 moon and it's really big you know that's 1057 00:47:54,230 --> 00:47:49,330 that's where big moves happen okay the 1058 00:47:57,390 --> 00:47:54,240 new moon part which is like 81 like 48 1059 00:47:59,280 --> 00:47:57,400 those are when that's sort of the seed 1060 00:48:01,740 --> 00:47:59,290 part of the cycle rather than the 1061 00:48:04,020 --> 00:48:01,750 flowering of the cycle it's when I you 1062 00:48:06,960 --> 00:48:04,030 know it's when a new order is designed 1063 00:48:08,910 --> 00:48:06,970 and implemented but it's more seeds 1064 00:48:13,350 --> 00:48:08,920 being planted whereas the full moon or 1065 00:48:17,310 --> 00:48:13,360 2001 is more like the that's seed 1066 00:48:21,900 --> 00:48:17,320 bearing fruit as it were Tata and so our 1067 00:48:22,620 --> 00:48:21,910 new moon or seed point is 2020 and so 1068 00:48:25,440 --> 00:48:22,630 we're 1069 00:48:27,599 --> 00:48:25,450 upon that and you know because you know 1070 00:48:30,120 --> 00:48:27,609 if you look at the world right now and 1071 00:48:32,359 --> 00:48:30,130 if you imagine yourself as being 1072 00:48:34,950 --> 00:48:32,369 possessed of great and terrible power 1073 00:48:38,039 --> 00:48:34,960 there are a lot of things that are out 1074 00:48:40,079 --> 00:48:38,049 of control some of them maybe you helped 1075 00:48:42,900 --> 00:48:40,089 set in motion some of them maybe had 1076 00:48:45,690 --> 00:48:42,910 consequences that or went in a direction 1077 00:48:49,499 --> 00:48:45,700 you were too happy about but that's sort 1078 00:48:51,269 --> 00:48:49,509 of the new plan stage right on and so 1079 00:48:54,359 --> 00:48:51,279 we're in a sense we're in the we're in 1080 00:48:59,579 --> 00:48:54,369 the very end of a cycle of power that 1081 00:49:02,549 --> 00:48:59,589 began in 81 and that bore fruit in 2001 1082 00:49:04,349 --> 00:49:02,559 and we're just at the very last stages 1083 00:49:07,319 --> 00:49:04,359 of that Wow 1084 00:49:13,519 --> 00:49:07,329 so basically Hillary or Trump's only 1085 00:49:17,009 --> 00:49:13,529 gonna get one term absolutely and so 1086 00:49:19,170 --> 00:49:17,019 yeah and there are yeah there are a 1087 00:49:21,690 --> 00:49:19,180 number of politicians who have that 1088 00:49:23,460 --> 00:49:21,700 Saturn conjunct Pluto that that new moon 1089 00:49:26,970 --> 00:49:23,470 part of the power cycle really 1090 00:49:28,529 --> 00:49:26,980 unsurprisingly in their charts have you 1091 00:49:30,299 --> 00:49:28,539 been able to get much insight into the 1092 00:49:32,249 --> 00:49:30,309 current election based on this I mean 1093 00:49:34,440 --> 00:49:32,259 saying it ends in 2020 that's really 1094 00:49:37,710 --> 00:49:34,450 interesting and considering like blocks 1095 00:49:40,920 --> 00:49:37,720 of you know power dynamics it would make 1096 00:49:43,170 --> 00:49:40,930 sense for Hillary to win for the next 1097 00:49:46,230 --> 00:49:43,180 four years and then be the capstone on 1098 00:49:49,559 --> 00:49:46,240 this big sliver of a power center that's 1099 00:49:51,660 --> 00:49:49,569 had control for quite some time yeah I 1100 00:49:52,069 --> 00:49:51,670 believe that that is what will happen 1101 00:49:54,749 --> 00:49:52,079 Wow 1102 00:49:56,370 --> 00:49:54,759 there was actually it was we were 1103 00:49:58,430 --> 00:49:56,380 talking before he started recording I 1104 00:50:01,289 --> 00:49:58,440 just got back from a conference and 1105 00:50:04,529 --> 00:50:01,299 there was a presidential panel on the 1106 00:50:06,720 --> 00:50:04,539 conference which has been done at 1107 00:50:10,289 --> 00:50:06,730 conferences before I was a little 1108 00:50:12,390 --> 00:50:10,299 unhappy about this one because I was 1109 00:50:14,220 --> 00:50:12,400 like dude I you know and I said on a 1110 00:50:15,809 --> 00:50:14,230 different podcast several months ago I 1111 00:50:17,789 --> 00:50:15,819 was like it's gonna be really obvious 1112 00:50:20,009 --> 00:50:17,799 that Hillary's gonna win it's not a good 1113 00:50:22,740 --> 00:50:20,019 demonstration of astrology it's a coin 1114 00:50:24,599 --> 00:50:22,750 flip where the Vegas odds are 85% in one 1115 00:50:26,730 --> 00:50:24,609 person's favorite out this is not how we 1116 00:50:29,099 --> 00:50:26,740 show the validity of our art right 1117 00:50:33,089 --> 00:50:29,109 although I did I feel like I scored 1118 00:50:35,640 --> 00:50:33,099 points with my meta prediction but but 1119 00:50:36,440 --> 00:50:35,650 anyway what came up was really 1120 00:50:38,450 --> 00:50:36,450 interesting 1121 00:50:40,910 --> 00:50:38,460 that's so the conference organizers 1122 00:50:43,460 --> 00:50:40,920 courted a lot of press around this 1123 00:50:45,620 --> 00:50:43,470 presidential panel and so usually you 1124 00:50:48,650 --> 00:50:45,630 know astrologers have the sort of luxury 1125 00:50:51,200 --> 00:50:48,660 of talking shop with each other even at 1126 00:50:53,210 --> 00:50:51,210 big conferences right where it's sort of 1127 00:50:56,300 --> 00:50:53,220 you know it's not preaching to the choir 1128 00:50:58,400 --> 00:50:56,310 but it's people who know yeah it's 1129 00:51:02,930 --> 00:50:58,410 talking with a level of intimacy and 1130 00:51:05,150 --> 00:51:02,940 familiarity and so but with this 1131 00:51:08,270 --> 00:51:05,160 particular instance because there was 1132 00:51:09,950 --> 00:51:08,280 more press we got a lot of scrutiny and 1133 00:51:12,680 --> 00:51:09,960 it brought up I think for a lot of 1134 00:51:15,310 --> 00:51:12,690 astrologers for the first time what it 1135 00:51:17,810 --> 00:51:15,320 means to do astrology when power cares 1136 00:51:20,390 --> 00:51:17,820 and when the mainstream culture cares 1137 00:51:23,359 --> 00:51:20,400 what you're doing and so it you know it 1138 00:51:25,670 --> 00:51:23,369 brings up that whole set of conundrums 1139 00:51:28,790 --> 00:51:25,680 that we talked about earlier yeah all 1140 00:51:31,579 --> 00:51:28,800 right and so one of my go-to ancient 1141 00:51:34,400 --> 00:51:31,589 sources is the is a book of astrology 1142 00:51:37,880 --> 00:51:34,410 called to me thesis which is written by 1143 00:51:41,020 --> 00:51:37,890 a Roman lawyer named firm Akismet Ernest 1144 00:51:43,970 --> 00:51:41,030 and he wrote it at the behest of 1145 00:51:45,980 --> 00:51:43,980 whatever the the prefect of his province 1146 00:51:48,410 --> 00:51:45,990 is this guy named of Fortius and so it 1147 00:51:50,390 --> 00:51:48,420 begins my dear ma Fortius and he because 1148 00:51:52,579 --> 00:51:50,400 ma Fortius has asked him to explain how 1149 00:51:54,280 --> 00:51:52,589 astrology works and so fir Marcus is 1150 00:51:57,050 --> 00:51:54,290 going on and on there's a lot of 1151 00:51:59,510 --> 00:51:57,060 technical material obviously but then he 1152 00:52:01,849 --> 00:51:59,520 gets to this one section he's like so 1153 00:52:04,130 --> 00:52:01,859 the astrology of the Emperor he says 1154 00:52:05,839 --> 00:52:04,140 basically don't do it don't do it don't 1155 00:52:10,460 --> 00:52:05,849 talk about the Emperor don't talk about 1156 00:52:13,370 --> 00:52:10,470 power and he's like oh because the 1157 00:52:16,010 --> 00:52:13,380 Emperor is divine wink wink and beyond 1158 00:52:18,650 --> 00:52:16,020 the you know beyond the bounds of fate 1159 00:52:20,599 --> 00:52:18,660 wink wink don't talk about it and so 1160 00:52:22,700 --> 00:52:20,609 with what I like about firm ik is is 1161 00:52:25,700 --> 00:52:22,710 that he was a Roman lawyer he had a 1162 00:52:29,030 --> 00:52:25,710 position to preserve you know he wasn't 1163 00:52:32,059 --> 00:52:29,040 a street soothsayer and so you know you 1164 00:52:34,400 --> 00:52:32,069 can see that political pressure on what 1165 00:52:37,490 --> 00:52:34,410 he's saying about astrology even in what 1166 00:52:39,440 --> 00:52:37,500 was not a widely circulated text and so 1167 00:52:41,960 --> 00:52:39,450 you know there's again there's this 1168 00:52:44,920 --> 00:52:41,970 issue is how do we how do we relate to 1169 00:52:47,420 --> 00:52:44,930 power and power starts caring yeah 1170 00:52:48,740 --> 00:52:47,430 because I wouldn't say that you know 1171 00:52:49,740 --> 00:52:48,750 astrologers had been the secret 1172 00:52:51,720 --> 00:52:49,750 collaborator 1173 00:52:53,480 --> 00:52:51,730 with the decimals of history they have 1174 00:52:55,920 --> 00:52:53,490 sometimes but I would say it's rather 1175 00:52:57,990 --> 00:52:55,930 power is much more attracted to 1176 00:53:00,240 --> 00:52:58,000 astrology than vice-versa the 1177 00:53:02,400 --> 00:53:00,250 astrologers have a very ambivalent 1178 00:53:06,240 --> 00:53:02,410 relationship historically to being 1179 00:53:07,950 --> 00:53:06,250 paired with material power that makes 1180 00:53:09,300 --> 00:53:07,960 sense and there is a quote that I've 1181 00:53:11,370 --> 00:53:09,310 heard from Gordon when it comes to 1182 00:53:13,110 --> 00:53:11,380 astrology and power and that 1183 00:53:15,810 --> 00:53:13,120 millionaires don't believe in astrology 1184 00:53:17,340 --> 00:53:15,820 billionaires do which I really like 1185 00:53:19,320 --> 00:53:17,350 because it speaks to one level being 1186 00:53:22,200 --> 00:53:19,330 pretty oblivious to it but on a higher 1187 00:53:24,060 --> 00:53:22,210 level maybe the real capstone cabal 1188 00:53:25,740 --> 00:53:24,070 behind the curtain maybe they've 1189 00:53:27,470 --> 00:53:25,750 preserved the tradition a little better 1190 00:53:30,120 --> 00:53:27,480 and kept it close to the chest 1191 00:53:33,420 --> 00:53:30,130 yeah well that's actually a JP Morgan 1192 00:53:38,880 --> 00:53:33,430 quote oh well [\h__\h] which I think speaks 1193 00:53:40,770 --> 00:53:38,890 to the yeah yeah it's like you know you 1194 00:53:42,480 --> 00:53:40,780 don't have to believe it that's fine I'm 1195 00:53:44,610 --> 00:53:42,490 not interested and you know it actually 1196 00:53:48,410 --> 00:53:44,620 benefits me that you don't write because 1197 00:53:51,210 --> 00:53:48,420 when you know it's like a technology 1198 00:53:55,200 --> 00:53:51,220 there's a parallel to that World War 2 1199 00:53:57,960 --> 00:53:55,210 situation where you know if both Hitler 1200 00:54:00,330 --> 00:53:57,970 and Churchill have astrologers then then 1201 00:54:02,250 --> 00:54:00,340 they're just even but if only one has an 1202 00:54:04,590 --> 00:54:02,260 astrologer then they have an edge right 1203 00:54:06,000 --> 00:54:04,600 yeah oh you know while we're talking 1204 00:54:07,260 --> 00:54:06,010 about astrologers in power I just 1205 00:54:08,490 --> 00:54:07,270 remembered another one of my favorite 1206 00:54:10,110 --> 00:54:08,500 anecdotes let's do it 1207 00:54:14,970 --> 00:54:10,120 so this is from the Italian Renaissance 1208 00:54:16,740 --> 00:54:14,980 and so it's a you know anything fun and 1209 00:54:19,050 --> 00:54:16,750 artsy in science II worked through 1210 00:54:21,390 --> 00:54:19,060 patronage during this era and so 1211 00:54:24,600 --> 00:54:21,400 astrologers work through patronage and 1212 00:54:27,630 --> 00:54:24,610 so there was a situation where there's 1213 00:54:28,950 --> 00:54:27,640 one sort of merchants Lord who had a 1214 00:54:32,250 --> 00:54:28,960 number of astrologers and the 1215 00:54:34,920 --> 00:54:32,260 astrologers just heeded him and you know 1216 00:54:37,280 --> 00:54:34,930 he deduced them repeatedly etc etc and 1217 00:54:40,320 --> 00:54:37,290 so eventually they saw an opportunity 1218 00:54:44,580 --> 00:54:40,330 where he was going to take his family 1219 00:54:47,070 --> 00:54:44,590 forces into battle against a contending 1220 00:54:49,290 --> 00:54:47,080 faction and so the the astrology of 1221 00:54:50,910 --> 00:54:49,300 warfare is a thing right where you pick 1222 00:54:53,550 --> 00:54:50,920 the right time for a battle 1223 00:54:57,450 --> 00:54:53,560 so that your side will win and so the 1224 00:55:00,450 --> 00:54:57,460 astrologers picked a time that would be 1225 00:55:02,800 --> 00:55:00,460 as disastrous as possible and they got 1226 00:55:07,660 --> 00:55:02,810 their hated Lord killed 1227 00:55:09,550 --> 00:55:07,670 oh yes most most auspicious definitely 1228 00:55:11,340 --> 00:55:09,560 go right and make sure you hit the exact 1229 00:55:13,630 --> 00:55:11,350 minute right 1230 00:55:15,910 --> 00:55:13,640 Baker watch the clock and sound the 1231 00:55:18,160 --> 00:55:15,920 sound the horn I love it 1232 00:55:19,900 --> 00:55:18,170 Austin hell of a time you definitely 1233 00:55:21,220 --> 00:55:19,910 know your craft well 1234 00:55:22,630 --> 00:55:21,230 big thanks to Gordon for getting us 1235 00:55:25,510 --> 00:55:22,640 together and for you for being here 1236 00:55:27,880 --> 00:55:25,520 before we go would you remind the people 1237 00:55:30,610 --> 00:55:27,890 about your website and classes and how 1238 00:55:31,180 --> 00:55:30,620 to better align pun intended with what 1239 00:55:35,620 --> 00:55:31,190 you're doing 1240 00:55:38,200 --> 00:55:35,630 sure some my website is my name com 1241 00:55:44,290 --> 00:55:38,210 it's Austin Copic and so that's a you 1242 00:55:46,840 --> 00:55:44,300 STI n Co PP Ock comm I believe I just 1243 00:55:48,580 --> 00:55:46,850 found out that I'm banned in Canada for 1244 00:55:49,030 --> 00:55:48,590 being in a cult site and it's kind of 1245 00:55:52,270 --> 00:55:49,040 fun 1246 00:55:53,770 --> 00:55:52,280 badge of honor but I want to get banned 1247 00:55:56,110 --> 00:55:53,780 from somewhere I'm still working on it 1248 00:55:57,400 --> 00:55:56,120 though yeah when I learned that my 1249 00:55:59,470 --> 00:55:57,410 Keeney a Canadian friend of mine 1250 00:56:01,990 --> 00:55:59,480 immediately high-five to me but that's 1251 00:56:05,920 --> 00:56:02,000 my website so I write I write a weekly 1252 00:56:07,930 --> 00:56:05,930 column where I attempt to describe what 1253 00:56:10,900 --> 00:56:07,940 the patterns are this week and how you 1254 00:56:13,980 --> 00:56:10,910 might relate to them better I wrote a 1255 00:56:19,020 --> 00:56:13,990 book 36 phases and I teach classes 1256 00:56:21,970 --> 00:56:19,030 primarily online and I have a yearly 1257 00:56:24,490 --> 00:56:21,980 sort of a year-long learn astrology 1258 00:56:27,400 --> 00:56:24,500 program that's cut up into month-long 1259 00:56:29,620 --> 00:56:27,410 units and although some people do a 1260 00:56:31,870 --> 00:56:29,630 whole year with me I also allow people 1261 00:56:36,130 --> 00:56:31,880 to enroll in a modular level because 1262 00:56:37,870 --> 00:56:36,140 it's a it's astrology's hard and so 1263 00:56:40,510 --> 00:56:37,880 learning a chunk at a time when you have 1264 00:56:42,730 --> 00:56:40,520 time is the way that most people do it 1265 00:56:44,800 --> 00:56:42,740 and so people can just you know go in 1266 00:56:46,270 --> 00:56:44,810 for let's do the signs you know and 1267 00:56:48,700 --> 00:56:46,280 that's a month or let's do the planets 1268 00:56:51,790 --> 00:56:48,710 and that's a month and then I teach a 1269 00:56:54,370 --> 00:56:51,800 variety of other sort of odds and ends I 1270 00:56:56,500 --> 00:56:54,380 taught a planetary magic class and I do 1271 00:56:59,020 --> 00:56:56,510 have the recordings of some of my 1272 00:57:02,410 --> 00:56:59,030 classes edited and available for 1273 00:57:04,030 --> 00:57:02,420 purchase and I do talks sometimes I 1274 00:57:04,690 --> 00:57:04,040 haven't been talking too much publicly 1275 00:57:07,060 --> 00:57:04,700 lately 1276 00:57:08,950 --> 00:57:07,070 other than on podcasts but you know 1277 00:57:10,720 --> 00:57:08,960 there are some their local astrology 1278 00:57:13,000 --> 00:57:10,730 groups and a lot of pretty much any 1279 00:57:16,580 --> 00:57:13,010 major or minor city in the United States 1280 00:57:20,810 --> 00:57:16,590 and so sometimes I travel and won't 1281 00:57:22,730 --> 00:57:20,820 talk hmm right on man yeah you're doing 1282 00:57:25,130 --> 00:57:22,740 quite a bit and you're right it is hard 1283 00:57:26,840 --> 00:57:25,140 it's a really difficult language to 1284 00:57:29,360 --> 00:57:26,850 learn I mean there's a lot of depth 1285 00:57:31,010 --> 00:57:29,370 there and every time I do an astrology 1286 00:57:33,290 --> 00:57:31,020 show I try to do a couple of year talk 1287 00:57:35,210 --> 00:57:33,300 to an astrologer I get really jazzed up 1288 00:57:36,830 --> 00:57:35,220 about it and I'm like oh I'm gonna I'm 1289 00:57:38,930 --> 00:57:36,840 gonna learn this [\h__\h] I'm gonna start 1290 00:57:41,360 --> 00:57:38,940 mapping my life like this and then as 1291 00:57:44,360 --> 00:57:41,370 soon as I'm on my own and I have to like 1292 00:57:47,300 --> 00:57:44,370 get into the you know deep waters it's 1293 00:57:49,190 --> 00:57:47,310 rough I give up well just one thing 1294 00:57:50,660 --> 00:57:49,200 about learning astrology for you and for 1295 00:57:52,760 --> 00:57:50,670 any of your listeners who are interested 1296 00:57:55,940 --> 00:57:52,770 you've really got to take it one piece 1297 00:57:58,580 --> 00:57:55,950 at a time and the pieces are really not 1298 00:58:00,680 --> 00:57:58,590 that hard or not that complicated by 1299 00:58:02,720 --> 00:58:00,690 themselves it's the putting them 1300 00:58:05,270 --> 00:58:02,730 together that's crazy but just start 1301 00:58:08,840 --> 00:58:05,280 with learning what the planets mean and 1302 00:58:12,380 --> 00:58:08,850 astrology cool once you're solid on the 1303 00:58:16,190 --> 00:58:12,390 planets move on to the signs right and 1304 00:58:19,250 --> 00:58:16,200 it's one piece at a time and so you know 1305 00:58:21,500 --> 00:58:19,260 for example let's say so if we just know 1306 00:58:23,480 --> 00:58:21,510 what the planets mean right that's like 1307 00:58:25,580 --> 00:58:23,490 depending on what you call a planet and 1308 00:58:28,160 --> 00:58:25,590 what's not a planet let's say that's ten 1309 00:58:30,290 --> 00:58:28,170 different terms or symbols right you can 1310 00:58:33,470 --> 00:58:30,300 learn 10 things through and in signs 1311 00:58:35,810 --> 00:58:33,480 well that's only twelve things right but 1312 00:58:38,780 --> 00:58:35,820 then your next step is you have to 1313 00:58:41,000 --> 00:58:38,790 understand every planet in every sign so 1314 00:58:44,300 --> 00:58:41,010 now the next step you've got 120 things 1315 00:58:46,640 --> 00:58:44,310 right got 10 times 12 and that's why it 1316 00:58:49,100 --> 00:58:46,650 gets crazy when you're learning if you 1317 00:58:52,790 --> 00:58:49,110 try to jump into the 120 before you have 1318 00:58:54,410 --> 00:58:52,800 10 and you have 12 and so you know and 1319 00:58:57,200 --> 00:58:54,420 if you haven't if you don't have those 1320 00:58:59,840 --> 00:58:57,210 fundamental terms clear then you can't 1321 00:59:01,610 --> 00:58:59,850 multiply them right but if you just just 1322 00:59:04,430 --> 00:59:01,620 you know just learn the planets just 1323 00:59:06,200 --> 00:59:04,440 learn the signs and then move on to the 1324 00:59:08,120 --> 00:59:06,210 next step all right that seems like a 1325 00:59:09,980 --> 00:59:08,130 pretty good approach until of course we 1326 00:59:11,210 --> 00:59:09,990 all ship off to the Mars colony and then 1327 00:59:13,490 --> 00:59:11,220 we have to learn all this stuff from a 1328 00:59:15,890 --> 00:59:13,500 different perspective I'm so interested 1329 00:59:17,720 --> 00:59:15,900 to see what that's going to be like 1330 00:59:19,760 --> 00:59:17,730 that's all I took a level because then 1331 00:59:22,420 --> 00:59:19,770 you know people are gonna have earth in 1332 00:59:25,190 --> 00:59:22,430 there yeah yeah 1333 00:59:27,200 --> 00:59:25,200 man that's gonna be that's gonna be 1334 00:59:30,260 --> 00:59:27,210 trippy I wonder what kind of influence 1335 00:59:32,779 --> 00:59:30,270 earth will have on a Mars chart yeah I 1336 00:59:34,910 --> 00:59:32,789 think it'll probably be calming and 1337 00:59:36,980 --> 00:59:34,920 grounding it's a pretty mellow planet as 1338 00:59:39,770 --> 00:59:36,990 far as they go now when you compare 1339 00:59:42,529 --> 00:59:39,780 what's going on on earth with the 1340 00:59:46,000 --> 00:59:42,539 composition and and whether anywhere 1341 00:59:48,950 --> 00:59:46,010 else we live in you know mild ville yeah 1342 00:59:50,900 --> 00:59:48,960 that's true all right oh man well I 1343 00:59:52,880 --> 00:59:50,910 could do it all day you know the rabbit 1344 00:59:54,829 --> 00:59:52,890 hole goes deep but thanks again for 1345 00:59:57,200 --> 00:59:54,839 being here I really did love it and take 1346 00:59:58,970 --> 00:59:57,210 care of yourself out there yeah you too 1347 01:00:02,329 --> 00:59:58,980 this was really fun take her easy Greg 1348 01:00:06,410 --> 01:00:02,339 all right peace man bye sweet Christmas 1349 01:00:08,599 --> 01:00:06,420 friends austin copic for the wind i love 1350 01:00:10,880 --> 01:00:08,609 it the man knows his craft it's funny 1351 01:00:13,400 --> 01:00:10,890 because I've had my chart read twice on 1352 01:00:15,910 --> 01:00:13,410 the air before both times I found it 1353 01:00:19,460 --> 01:00:15,920 very accurate I've dug in even deeper 1354 01:00:20,690 --> 01:00:19,470 seeing more detailed information I'm a 1355 01:00:22,279 --> 01:00:20,700 believer for sure 1356 01:00:23,809 --> 01:00:22,289 it's kind of hard for me to say that 1357 01:00:26,450 --> 01:00:23,819 about things I don't really understand 1358 01:00:28,519 --> 01:00:26,460 the mechanisms behind but it still works 1359 01:00:30,200 --> 01:00:28,529 I guess you don't really need to know 1360 01:00:33,650 --> 01:00:30,210 the details of what makes your 1361 01:00:35,930 --> 01:00:33,660 smartphone work or your car drive to use 1362 01:00:38,150 --> 01:00:35,940 it and see it as a useful tool right and 1363 01:00:40,700 --> 01:00:38,160 of course there will be naysayers that 1364 01:00:42,589 --> 01:00:40,710 throw out the same old criticism that 1365 01:00:45,069 --> 01:00:42,599 well it's just a bunch of vague 1366 01:00:47,450 --> 01:00:45,079 statements that you self-identify with 1367 01:00:49,250 --> 01:00:47,460 yeah maybe if you only scratch the 1368 01:00:51,950 --> 01:00:49,260 surface maybe if you only get your 1369 01:00:53,660 --> 01:00:51,960 knowledge of astrology from The 1370 01:00:56,269 --> 01:00:53,670 Huffington Post or the grocery store 1371 01:00:59,870 --> 01:00:56,279 checkout line it really annoys me when I 1372 01:01:01,730 --> 01:00:59,880 hear people citing textbook debunking 1373 01:01:02,420 --> 01:01:01,740 lines as if it's something they came up 1374 01:01:05,450 --> 01:01:02,430 with himself 1375 01:01:07,400 --> 01:01:05,460 there's always an official answer the 1376 01:01:09,230 --> 01:01:07,410 establishment doesn't just say oh we 1377 01:01:11,960 --> 01:01:09,240 don't know about that there always is a 1378 01:01:14,450 --> 01:01:11,970 way to discredit it Roswell was a 1379 01:01:16,760 --> 01:01:14,460 weather balloon the Norway spiral was a 1380 01:01:18,799 --> 01:01:16,770 failed rocket test and it's funny how 1381 01:01:20,420 --> 01:01:18,809 quickly some people will look at a 1382 01:01:22,400 --> 01:01:20,430 mystery and be like oh my god what is 1383 01:01:24,620 --> 01:01:22,410 this what's going on and then as soon as 1384 01:01:26,029 --> 01:01:24,630 that official answer comes out they're 1385 01:01:27,559 --> 01:01:26,039 just sharing the links all over the 1386 01:01:30,260 --> 01:01:27,569 internet and they're positive that that 1387 01:01:32,420 --> 01:01:30,270 is what it is kind of a side note but 1388 01:01:34,519 --> 01:01:32,430 those kind of statements get made about 1389 01:01:35,030 --> 01:01:34,529 astrology too I think it's [\h__\h] I 1390 01:01:37,460 --> 01:01:35,040 think you're 1391 01:01:39,710 --> 01:01:37,470 um playing right into their hands if you 1392 01:01:43,010 --> 01:01:39,720 do that kind of stuff and kind of being 1393 01:01:46,300 --> 01:01:43,020 a propaganda propagator for the elite 1394 01:01:48,740 --> 01:01:46,310 and most you aren't even getting paid so 1395 01:01:51,290 --> 01:01:48,750 but something my main man Gordon brought 1396 01:01:53,690 --> 01:01:51,300 to my attention just after I recorded 1397 01:01:56,720 --> 01:01:53,700 this show is this story that NASA 1398 01:01:57,980 --> 01:01:56,730 changed the zodiac and maybe changed 1399 01:01:59,840 --> 01:01:57,990 isn't the right word because I can't 1400 01:02:01,490 --> 01:01:59,850 really change anything but if you google 1401 01:02:03,200 --> 01:02:01,500 it you'll see a bunch of articles oh 1402 01:02:05,570 --> 01:02:03,210 they did change it no they didn't change 1403 01:02:08,360 --> 01:02:05,580 it it's just a cause confusion of course 1404 01:02:11,540 --> 01:02:08,370 but they say that they retrace the steps 1405 01:02:14,810 --> 01:02:11,550 of Babylonia x' math and added a new 1406 01:02:17,390 --> 01:02:14,820 constellation to the zodiac called Lukas 1407 01:02:19,250 --> 01:02:17,400 the snake bear of all things and I do 1408 01:02:21,260 --> 01:02:19,260 remember hearing about a few kiss a 1409 01:02:22,910 --> 01:02:21,270 couple years ago I thought then it was 1410 01:02:25,550 --> 01:02:22,920 just a psychological trick to make 1411 01:02:28,040 --> 01:02:25,560 astrology seem worthless and it seems to 1412 01:02:29,390 --> 01:02:28,050 have been recycled this time from our 1413 01:02:31,250 --> 01:02:29,400 friends at NASA you got to give it that 1414 01:02:32,900 --> 01:02:31,260 official stamp right I guess it didn't 1415 01:02:35,720 --> 01:02:32,910 work the first time so now you can 1416 01:02:38,570 --> 01:02:35,730 reinforce the same discredited ation 1417 01:02:40,850 --> 01:02:38,580 with a more established source but from 1418 01:02:43,760 --> 01:02:40,860 what I just read five minutes ago NASA 1419 01:02:46,040 --> 01:02:43,770 is really just obscuring the difference 1420 01:02:49,430 --> 01:02:46,050 between constellations and zodiac signs 1421 01:02:50,860 --> 01:02:49,440 there is a slight distinction and here's 1422 01:02:53,870 --> 01:02:50,870 something from the good folks at 1423 01:02:55,610 --> 01:02:53,880 astrology Club comm ancient and medieval 1424 01:02:58,460 --> 01:02:55,620 astrologers considered that there were 1425 01:03:01,040 --> 01:02:58,470 48 constellations of these twelve were 1426 01:03:03,380 --> 01:03:01,050 considered zodiacal constellations the 1427 01:03:05,720 --> 01:03:03,390 other 36 were considered extra zodiacal 1428 01:03:08,210 --> 01:03:05,730 constellations the twelve the zodiacal 1429 01:03:10,400 --> 01:03:08,220 constellations are those through which 1430 01:03:13,100 --> 01:03:10,410 the Sun appears to pass during the 1431 01:03:14,810 --> 01:03:13,110 course of a year and their names Aries 1432 01:03:17,300 --> 01:03:14,820 through Pisces are familiar to anyone 1433 01:03:20,300 --> 01:03:17,310 interested in his or her Sun or star 1434 01:03:22,820 --> 01:03:20,310 sign o few kiss is one of the 36 1435 01:03:24,410 --> 01:03:22,830 extra zodiacal constellations not one of 1436 01:03:27,440 --> 01:03:24,420 those which the Sun is considered to 1437 01:03:29,750 --> 01:03:27,450 appear to pass there also seems to be a 1438 01:03:32,120 --> 01:03:29,760 hell of a big difference between Western 1439 01:03:34,760 --> 01:03:32,130 astrology and classic Vedic stuff so 1440 01:03:37,940 --> 01:03:34,770 they knew about a few 'kiss they 1441 01:03:41,660 --> 01:03:37,950 recognized a few 'kiss it's just not a 1442 01:03:43,970 --> 01:03:41,670 zodiac sign but of course the story is 1443 01:03:46,430 --> 01:03:43,980 just how dumb the ancients were and how 1444 01:03:48,080 --> 01:03:46,440 lame astrology is just a couple of 1445 01:03:48,980 --> 01:03:48,090 internet headlines you'll see when you 1446 01:03:51,380 --> 01:03:48,990 google 1447 01:03:54,530 --> 01:03:51,390 NASA changed all the astrological signs 1448 01:03:57,140 --> 01:03:54,540 now I'm a crab chaos reigns is addition 1449 01:04:00,260 --> 01:03:57,150 of a few 'kiss cast doubt over accuracy 1450 01:04:02,500 --> 01:04:00,270 of all horoscopes zodiac signs changed 1451 01:04:05,420 --> 01:04:02,510 by NASA has your whole life been a lie 1452 01:04:07,880 --> 01:04:05,430 so when you see some esoteric art like 1453 01:04:09,230 --> 01:04:07,890 astrology being attacked in this way you 1454 01:04:11,150 --> 01:04:09,240 can be pretty sure it's worth paying 1455 01:04:13,730 --> 01:04:11,160 attention to but what do I know 1456 01:04:15,800 --> 01:04:13,740 and the Plus show this week if you'd be 1457 01:04:17,900 --> 01:04:15,810 so kind to sign up we talked about 1458 01:04:19,520 --> 01:04:17,910 Saturn quite a bit and the way it's used 1459 01:04:22,100 --> 01:04:19,530 in the conspiracy world the idea that 1460 01:04:24,470 --> 01:04:22,110 the archons reside out there what role 1461 01:04:26,660 --> 01:04:24,480 it might play we got into the three 1462 01:04:28,640 --> 01:04:26,670 gifts of Hermes astrology magic and 1463 01:04:31,130 --> 01:04:28,650 alchemy talked about the alchemical 1464 01:04:34,520 --> 01:04:31,140 resurgence you know I'm into that right 1465 01:04:37,040 --> 01:04:34,530 now and of course we talked about how to 1466 01:04:39,830 --> 01:04:37,050 communicate with entities and strengthen 1467 01:04:42,140 --> 01:04:39,840 our ability to do so remember you can 1468 01:04:44,150 --> 01:04:42,150 still get a free week of THC plus by 1469 01:04:45,530 --> 01:04:44,160 going to the higher side chats calm and 1470 01:04:47,930 --> 01:04:45,540 filling out the form at the bottom of 1471 01:04:50,930 --> 01:04:47,940 the page and once you're on the ride I 1472 01:04:53,510 --> 01:04:50,940 hope you'll stay because in the immortal 1473 01:04:56,000 --> 01:04:53,520 words of real big fish we got a good 1474 01:04:59,240 --> 01:04:56,010 thing going here and I don't want to see 1475 01:05:00,590 --> 01:04:59,250 it end and that's it for me I think I 1476 01:05:03,380 --> 01:05:00,600 mentioned this last week but I had a 1477 01:05:05,540 --> 01:05:03,390 string of cancellations and reschedules 1478 01:05:08,620 --> 01:05:05,550 so I still have one more show to get out 1479 01:05:11,750 --> 01:05:08,630 this month and I'm trying but it's also 1480 01:05:13,700 --> 01:05:11,760 the annual holiday celebration of our 1481 01:05:16,090 --> 01:05:13,710 Dark Lord and you got to respect that 1482 01:05:21,120 --> 01:05:16,100 too but stay tuned I'll see you then 1483 01:05:25,000 --> 01:05:21,130 your move of yuccas your [\h__\h] 1484 01:05:28,760 --> 01:05:25,010 sweet dreams to the Olly 1485 01:05:37,349 --> 01:05:33,680 uncovering secrets and conspiracies 1486 01:05:41,789 --> 01:05:37,359 everybody's looking for something some 1487 01:05:45,480 --> 01:05:41,799 of them want to use you some of them 1488 01:05:48,220 --> 01:05:45,490 want to get used by you some of them 1489 01:06:29,700 --> 01:05:48,230 want to abuse you 1490 01:06:29,710 --> 01:06:33,560 abused you 1491 01:06:33,570 --> 01:06:50,110 we 1492 01:06:53,990 --> 01:06:52,430 hey guys thanks for listening to the 1493 01:06:56,330 --> 01:06:54,000 first hour of the higher side chats 1494 01:06:58,400 --> 01:06:56,340 podcast with me Greg Carl wood if you 1495 01:07:00,770 --> 01:06:58,410 don't know there is a second hour to all 1496 01:07:02,480 --> 01:07:00,780 the episodes we do around here generally 1497 01:07:04,220 --> 01:07:02,490 we're able to get a lot deeper into the 1498 01:07:06,230 --> 01:07:04,230 topics and ideas that a guest is about 1499 01:07:09,350 --> 01:07:06,240 so if you enjoyed what you've heard from 1500 01:07:11,540 --> 01:07:09,360 THC for free consider signing up at the 1501 01:07:13,520 --> 01:07:11,550 higher side chats plus com to get the 1502 01:07:15,830 --> 01:07:13,530 second hour of the 5 shows I put 1503 01:07:17,750 --> 01:07:15,840 together each month I never really 1504 01:07:19,460 --> 01:07:17,760 wanted to be a paid subscriber podcast 1505 01:07:21,440 --> 01:07:19,470 but I really hate the idea of spending 1506 01:07:23,540 --> 01:07:21,450 airtime promoting some product that's 1507 01:07:25,220 --> 01:07:23,550 completely unrelated and telling you the 1508 01:07:27,980 --> 01:07:25,230 best way to support the show is to buy 1509 01:07:29,900 --> 01:07:27,990 an audio book or new underwear by mail 1510 01:07:32,210 --> 01:07:29,910 or something crazy like that so instead 1511 01:07:33,830 --> 01:07:32,220 if you like the show double your time 1512 01:07:36,050 --> 01:07:33,840 with it for five bucks a month and let's 1513 01:07:37,550 --> 01:07:36,060 cut out all the other [\h__\h] it's half the 1514 01:07:39,320 --> 01:07:37,560 price of a movie ticket and you get at 1515 01:07:41,930 --> 01:07:39,330 least an extra five hours of show a 1516 01:07:43,730 --> 01:07:41,940 month collectively it keeps us stable 1517 01:07:45,350 --> 01:07:43,740 and it frees me from wasting your time 1518 01:07:47,900 --> 01:07:45,360 with anything but the show you came to 1519 01:07:49,880 --> 01:07:47,910 listen to it's really the only way for 1520 01:07:51,680 --> 01:07:49,890 an independent one-man show to make it 1521 01:07:53,900 --> 01:07:51,690 and I do what I can so that it's worth 1522 01:07:55,880 --> 01:07:53,910 your while since we started this I've 1523 01:07:57,920 --> 01:07:55,890 always tried to use the subscriptions to 1524 01:08:00,470 --> 01:07:57,930 improve the podcast and make signups 1525 01:08:02,390 --> 01:08:00,480 more advantageous it started with just a 1526 01:08:04,040 --> 01:08:02,400 second hour for the main show but now 1527 01:08:06,110 --> 01:08:04,050 we've got a nice forum going where 1528 01:08:07,820 --> 01:08:06,120 people can get deeper in conversation 1529 01:08:10,730 --> 01:08:07,830 about the episodes with other listeners 1530 01:08:12,610 --> 01:08:10,740 submit a candidate in the guest request 1531 01:08:14,630 --> 01:08:12,620 thread or share their own personal 1532 01:08:16,730 --> 01:08:14,640 projects to get out of the soul-crushing 1533 01:08:19,310 --> 01:08:16,740 nine-to-five cog in the wheel life on 1534 01:08:20,990 --> 01:08:19,320 the entrepreneurs thread the forum in 1535 01:08:22,700 --> 01:08:21,000 the Plus comments are always the first 1536 01:08:24,920 --> 01:08:22,710 places I try to go for listener 1537 01:08:27,320 --> 01:08:24,930 engagement but it does get harder as the 1538 01:08:29,150 --> 01:08:27,330 show gets more popular because of that 1539 01:08:30,620 --> 01:08:29,160 there's also a direct messaging feature 1540 01:08:33,470 --> 01:08:30,630 that you can use to reach me through the 1541 01:08:35,090 --> 01:08:33,480 plus site also well beyond the forum if 1542 01:08:37,250 --> 01:08:35,100 you like any of the music I've used for 1543 01:08:39,050 --> 01:08:37,260 THC most of it I've hired artists to 1544 01:08:41,360 --> 01:08:39,060 make and I provided all its free 1545 01:08:42,770 --> 01:08:41,370 downloads to Plus members too so if you 1546 01:08:44,960 --> 01:08:42,780 like a particular song you've heard 1547 01:08:47,300 --> 01:08:44,970 close the show out recently come get the 1548 01:08:49,310 --> 01:08:47,310 mp3 I should also mention that if you 1549 01:08:51,650 --> 01:08:49,320 don't like the idea of paying $5 1550 01:08:53,090 --> 01:08:51,660 recurring every month I get that you can 1551 01:08:54,770 --> 01:08:53,100 buy three months 1552 01:08:56,599 --> 01:08:54,780 six months or a year up front and just 1553 01:08:58,010 --> 01:08:56,609 be done with it I have plenty of 1554 01:09:00,740 --> 01:08:58,020 listeners who send checks and money 1555 01:09:02,780 --> 01:09:00,750 orders to the PIO box - I try to make it 1556 01:09:04,250 --> 01:09:02,790 as easy for people as I can and you can 1557 01:09:06,980 --> 01:09:04,260 read more about it on the signup page 1558 01:09:08,690 --> 01:09:06,990 also be sure to check out the FAQ help 1559 01:09:10,310 --> 01:09:08,700 page on the plus site if you have any 1560 01:09:12,230 --> 01:09:10,320 questions or concerns about how to 1561 01:09:14,599 --> 01:09:12,240 listen to a password-protected show on 1562 01:09:16,490 --> 01:09:14,609 your devices I've highlighted a lot of 1563 01:09:18,950 --> 01:09:16,500 great solutions and one of those would 1564 01:09:21,650 --> 01:09:18,960 be the iPhone app that just recently hit 1565 01:09:23,780 --> 01:09:21,660 the Apple App Store a super kind and 1566 01:09:25,640 --> 01:09:23,790 talented listener made it for us and you 1567 01:09:27,800 --> 01:09:25,650 can use it to stream or download either 1568 01:09:30,770 --> 01:09:27,810 the free or the plus show if you're on 1569 01:09:32,360 --> 01:09:30,780 Android I'd use pocket casts or podcast 1570 01:09:34,940 --> 01:09:32,370 addict and subscribe to the feed 1571 01:09:37,640 --> 01:09:34,950 manually that way I also try to throw an 1572 01:09:39,620 --> 01:09:37,650 occasional bonus shows or QA shows and 1573 01:09:41,810 --> 01:09:39,630 I've got a few other weird ideas I might 1574 01:09:43,730 --> 01:09:41,820 get to try out soon but I give you all I 1575 01:09:45,410 --> 01:09:43,740 can for five bucks and I hope you'll at 1576 01:09:47,120 --> 01:09:45,420 least give it a shot if you've listened 1577 01:09:48,890 --> 01:09:47,130 to a few free shows and you find them 1578 01:09:50,690 --> 01:09:48,900 unique or valuable I know there's a lot 1579 01:09:52,849 --> 01:09:50,700 of podcasts out there and I'm just one 1580 01:09:54,650 --> 01:09:52,859 of them but if you have any questions 1581 01:09:56,180 --> 01:09:54,660 concerns or comments about any of this 1582 01:09:59,060 --> 01:09:56,190 please get in touch with us at the 1583 01:10:00,980 --> 01:09:59,070 higher side chats team at gmail.com I 1584 01:10:02,390 --> 01:10:00,990 also wanted to plug the higher side 1585 01:10:04,220 --> 01:10:02,400 newsletter I'm going to be putting out 1586 01:10:06,470 --> 01:10:04,230 totally free for anyone who wants to 1587 01:10:08,870 --> 01:10:06,480 sign up at the main Internet web site 1588 01:10:10,760 --> 01:10:08,880 for the show the higher side chats com 1589 01:10:12,530 --> 01:10:10,770 you can also get on that email list 1590 01:10:14,900 --> 01:10:12,540 through the higher side chats Facebook 1591 01:10:16,310 --> 01:10:14,910 page there's a button there as well but 1592 01:10:18,830 --> 01:10:16,320 the reason I'm doing this is because I 1593 01:10:20,690 --> 01:10:18,840 get tons and tons of emails after a show 1594 01:10:22,820 --> 01:10:20,700 goes up asking me about how I feel about 1595 01:10:24,410 --> 01:10:22,830 a particular guest or topic and the 1596 01:10:26,330 --> 01:10:24,420 wrap-up isn't always the best place to 1597 01:10:28,370 --> 01:10:26,340 do that especially if I have anything 1598 01:10:30,230 --> 01:10:28,380 negative to say sometimes the dust needs 1599 01:10:32,690 --> 01:10:30,240 to settle sometimes I need to hear 1600 01:10:34,280 --> 01:10:32,700 feedback from you guys first there are a 1601 01:10:35,900 --> 01:10:34,290 lot of factors but I usually have 1602 01:10:38,330 --> 01:10:35,910 something to communicate to you and I 1603 01:10:39,950 --> 01:10:38,340 just don't get to do it so on the first 1604 01:10:41,540 --> 01:10:39,960 of the month I plan to send out a little 1605 01:10:43,910 --> 01:10:41,550 newsletter with my thoughts about the 1606 01:10:45,800 --> 01:10:43,920 five shows the previous month and talk 1607 01:10:47,960 --> 01:10:45,810 to you about anything else that's on my 1608 01:10:49,760 --> 01:10:47,970 mind or that's going on and what's 1609 01:10:51,500 --> 01:10:49,770 probably most enticing is that I'm gonna 1610 01:10:53,420 --> 01:10:51,510 give you some insight into at least one 1611 01:10:55,490 --> 01:10:53,430 guest I have coming up in the month 1612 01:10:57,500 --> 01:10:55,500 which people have been begging for some 1613 01:10:59,420 --> 01:10:57,510 posted schedule for a long time I 1614 01:11:01,130 --> 01:10:59,430 personally think I'd like the surprise 1615 01:11:03,110 --> 01:11:01,140 but sign up for the higher side 1616 01:11:04,640 --> 01:11:03,120 newsletter it's free it comes out on the 1617 01:11:05,570 --> 01:11:04,650 1st of the month and I won't waste your 1618 01:11:07,940 --> 01:11:05,580 time with any 1619 01:11:10,070 --> 01:11:07,950 other emails and that's it I appreciate 1620 01:11:12,230 --> 01:11:10,080 you listening I try to give alternative 1621 01:11:14,600 --> 01:11:12,240 ideas and guests a fair shake on a high 1622 01:11:17,210 --> 01:11:14,610 quality podcast expose some deep level 1623 01:11:19,100 --> 01:11:17,220 conspiracies without the yelling and I 1624 01:11:21,230 --> 01:11:19,110 hope to offer some inspiration that even 1625 01:11:22,760 --> 01:11:21,240 though the system relentlessly suggests 1626 01:11:25,040 --> 01:11:22,770 you should follow their blueprint to 1627 01:11:27,410 --> 01:11:25,050 mediocrity you can do your own thing and 1628 01:11:29,510 --> 01:11:27,420 live a much happier life despite all the